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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. Ehav4Ever

    Ehav4Ever Well-Known Member

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    If you really beleived what you wrote you would do a Zoom to prove it from a Hebrew text.

    How about this. You obviously don't have the ability to prove your point from a Hebrew text and you don't have the ability to convince a Torath Mosheh Jew or Orthodox Jew of your claims. So, instead let's do it this way.

    You say that Jesus will make a second coming. Have him call/SMS Harel and I if what you claims happens and we will look out and see if it is really happening. ;)
     
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    Have you not read the entire chapter?
    start at the end of 52:

    Just so he shall startle many nations. Kings shall be silenced because of him, For they shall see what has not been told them, Shall behold what they never have heard.”

    53
    “Who can believe what we have heard? Upon whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

    and then the KINGS describe what THEY have seen.
    If you can't be troubled to read the whole thing, I can't help you.
     
  3. Skywalker

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    The idea of the Messiah being a political figure with an immediate worldly kingdom isn't based on the scriptures-it's based on the desires and expectations of the people during the time of Jesus. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

     
  4. Ehav4Ever

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    If you are not going to be honest with us, at least be honest with yourself. You are not "using" a Hebrew bible. You admitted in other threads that you don't know Hebrew. If your English bible says what you want it to then be happy with your English bible.

    Torath Mosheh Jews and Orthodox Jews are held to higher standards and we are happy with those standards......I.E. Actual Hebrew texts.

    At some point you will need to be honest with the fact that you don't have the tools to prove your point to us. Yet, if you really want to do something go out and unite the various sects of Christianity under your system of beleif/faith. Unless that is isn't important either.
     
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    The animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were types and shadows of the coming Messiah who would die to bring salvation to people.
     
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    I was responding to what you said about the second coming of Jesus. The belief that the Messiah was to have an imminent worldly kingdom is never stated in the Scriptures.
     
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    Jesus was not esteemed. His own rejected him.
     
  9. Harel13

    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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    Let's see...

    An animal must be without blemish or injury - Jesus was pierced and beaten.
    The sacrifice must be upon the altar - Jesus died on a cross somewhere far away from the Temple Mount.
    The sacrifice must be made by priests descendants of Aharon - Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers.

    According to Hebrews, animals don't rid of sins - Jesus's death rid mankind of their sins.

    So no, not types or shadows of Jesus...
     
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    The Old Testament agrees with the book of Hebrews. Contradictions: Did Animal Sacrifices Remove Sin?


     
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    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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  12. Skywalker

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    The book of Hebrews mentions a covering but not a total removal, of sin. That is what the animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were.
     
  13. Harel13

    Harel13 Nin-Jew Master
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    "Covering"? What does that mean?
     
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    It's the meaning of the Hebrew word for atonement in the Old Testament. Contradictions: Did Animal Sacrifices Remove Sin?

     
  15. Rival

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    It would be really helpful for you if you'd stop using Christian sites to tell you what Jews believe / what the Tanakh says.
     
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    Do you think that article misrepresents what the Old Testament animal sacrifices were for?
     
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    I'd say it starts with a wrong premise.

    This is not my problem though. The problem is you're relying on Christians to tell you about Jewish Scripture.
     
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    Leviticus 16, specifically verse 30.

    For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
    The atonement cleanses from all sins.

    :)
     
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    Do you think it misrepresents what's in the Jewish scriptures?
     
  20. Rival

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    I believe many Christian arguments consistently misrepresent Jewish scriptures.

    So it's best you stop using them.
     
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