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Is Abortion Murder?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by RedDragon94, May 22, 2019.

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. LightofTruth

    LightofTruth Well-Known Member

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    Do you think a major reason why abortion is legal is because so many still under the responsibility of their parents are getting pregnant?
     
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    That doesn't qualify it being a person though. A 6 week fetus develops human characteristics but it does not mean it is a person. I can build a robot with appendages like that of a human doesn't make it human. See: personhood

    So if I had a 12 year-old daughter who was raped and ends up pregnant she should go through the secondary traumatic experience of giving birth to a child out of non-consensual sex because that child has a right to live?

    Not always
     
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  3. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    It's inhumane and cruel to torture and slaughter any living being whose life is valued by society, whether or not this were a person.
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    I'll concede a 6 week old fetus can't feel pain, but a 24 week old fetus evidently can feel pain. Hence, late term abortions should be banned.
     
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    If that is true why take antibiotics to rid ourselves of bacteria? Why wash our bodies with anti-microbial substances when both bacteria and microbes have their place in existence? These are both living organisms that have their value in enhancing our immune systems.
     
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  6. Salvador

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    I doubt microbes sense pain; however, a 24 week old human fetus arguably might be able to sense pain. I don't believe aborted fetuses younger than 24 weeks of age sense pain, so I'd have no qualms about first trimester or early second trimester abortions
     
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    It's a case by case thing, actually. There's no hard and fast rule.
     
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    Murder relates to our physical body only. Abortion violates Natural Law.
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    There's zero evidence human consciousness extends beyond the our mind's cerebral life dependent upon its bodily functions.

    "Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation."

    When Does Consciousness Arise in Human Babies?
     
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  11. fantome profane

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    Do you know anyone who 'skipped ' this initial stage of development of the future born human?
     
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    What is the difference its just terminating a human life?
     
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    A fetus is not an individual and does not have individual rights.
     
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    No. There is no human person who is dying when a fetus is being aborted at under 23 weeks. So no question of murder.
     
  16. Deeje

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    Not a terribly well reasoned response there.....:rolleyes:

    Have you ever carried a child? How would you know? Its the most miraculous thing I have ever done.

    To abort a human baby for totally selfish reasons, I believe is unconscionable. But no one has to answer to me.
    I do believe that they will ultimately answer to the Creator of life, however.

    I can think of medical reasons to terminate a pregnancy, but viewing it as an unwanted side effect of one's sex life that can easily be disposed of as if it isn't a living human is mere justification IMV. There are many ways to prevent pregnancy.

    I have an opinion.....I don't believe that sex is a right. It is a privilege confined to scriptural marriage. Call me old fashioned....
     
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    The Creator.
     
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    A well-developed fetus, which can sense pain, should at least have animal rights. The right to be humanely treated rather than be tortured.
     
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    It does not, but it placed in physical body for a purpose.
     
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    It is a FUTURE individual, I was a fetus once, l presume you too
     
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