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Featured Is Abortion a Religious or Political Position?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Clara Tea

    Clara Tea Well-Known Member

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    ‘Golf Religion’ From Japan Stymied in U.S. (Published 1975)

    The Japanese church of golf was ruled not to be a religion (so not tax exempt).
     
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  2. Clara Tea

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    Atonement means that they won't do it again and were sorry that they did it in the first place.

    Forgiveness is a fundamental of God. Almost all have been forgiven in the past.

    The only sin that God will not forgive is the attack on Iraq. The Christian soldiers who attacked Iraq will go to hell, and there is no way out. This is because it is a very grave sin...the most grave in the entire span of mankind's existence. Revelation lays out the punishments for the war in Iraq (for example, Revelation 15 (seven plagues, including COVID)).
     
  3. Kelly of the Phoenix

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    A being biologically incapable of having a choice has no choice. I wonder if you ever told schools that you are the decision maker for your child’s health. If you believe you can do what you want with a five year old, why can’t your will supersede a zygote that doesn’t have a brain?
     
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  4. Clara Tea

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    There are non-religious arguments against vaccines, too. The process of using lipid nano-particles is very new. The FDA gave EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) originally, because the vaccine was not rigorously tested. There were reports of enlarged hearts from vaccines in teens. The general public is not sure if the experts are right about messenger RNA in mitochondria not affecting DNA or RNA in offspring. Mitochondrial DNA is not in the nucleus of cells.

    Many websites have banned discussions of vaccines (against free speech) because it could discourage use of vaccines during a global pandemic (emergencies seem to take precedence over normal freedoms). Politicians shouldn't force vaccines, they should use charisma and facts to sway the public.
     
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    Five year olds can't be endangered.
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    "Is Abortion a Religious or Political Position?":
    Abortion should not be made into a religious or political position, it is a situation which the society has to deal with proper laws from the side of the government. Countries can take the Indian Abortion Laws as the template.
    Abortion in India - Wikipedia
     
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  7. Kelly of the Phoenix

    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    The Bible said you can kill unruly kids and there are parents who do so.
     
  8. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    The stance on abortion depends to a large extent on the individual country more than the majority religion.
    In the UK the law pays little or no regard to religious views.
    nor does parliament in establishing those laws.
    The right to abortion is firmly established. Even do it yourself morning after pills are now freely available with out prescription.

    Only in Northern Ireland where both the Catholics and Protestants have an anti abortion majority has it been a major issue.
    However, even there the UK government has stepped in and confirmed the legality of Abortion during the period that there was no government in place in Stormont.
    Abortion is available in Europe under human rights laws, despite some countries objections and obstructions.
     
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  9. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    The case I always think of is this one:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gay-teen-wins-fight-over-catholic-prom-1.348831

    A student at a Catholic school tried to take a same-sex date to his school prom; the school refused. Did the school act illegally?

    - they had a religious exemption for issues related to the tenets of the Catholic faith.
    - apart from those exemptions, they were prohibited from discrimination on the basis of sex, gender, or sexual orientation.

    ... so the case ended up hinging on the question of whether there were any tenets of the Catholic faith that would prohibit taking a same-sex date to a school prom.

    The secular court ruled that there weren't, and that the school broke the law.
     
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  10. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Why can't the terrorists of Iraq ask god for forgiveness?

    Wouldn't that mean one couldnt go to the priest for Any sin?

    If Christ died for all why would some sins be excluded no matter how horrify they are?
     
  11. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Contrary to what a church may say clearly God has the power to forgive any sin.
    Some writings in the Bible suggest all sins are not equal and some are what the Catholic church designates as mortal. That is as it may be, but it is not in the churches power to do the judging, that is for God alone.
     
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    But in Catholicism, even a "mortal sin" may be forgiven.

    BTW, we more tend to use the words "serious sin" than "mortal sin" nowadays, but some habits die s-l-o-w-l-y.
     
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  13. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    Christianity is really only anti-abortion since around the 70's.
     
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  14. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Its the same question and reasoning. Why are some sins forgiven by god and others are not?
     
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    According to the RCC any sin can be forgiven except one: not paying tithes.
     
  16. Fool

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    there is the fix. abortion by religious exemption
     
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  17. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    I am not convinced he is interested in personal sins at all, and neither forgives nor punishes.
    I suggest he would find the whole subject extremely petty.

    And that he is more likely to judge man on the care he has taken of this world.
     
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    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    Laws are literally the creation of politics.
     
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  19. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    It thought the point of Christianity was that all sins are forgiven once you embrace Jesus?
    Or is that just the sales pitch?
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Some are created by the necessity of the society.
     
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