Irish Woman Dies When Denied Abortion

[Me Myself]

I think that rape and incest are good reasons (considered special circumstances).

To make a new innocent victim? I disagree.

 

[Drolefille]

It´s a human being who has not reached puberty. That´s the definition of child.

I don´t think so on both accounts.

As it is not born, the definition is inaccurate. Embryo or fetus depending on the point of development are the accurate terms. They're human fetuses but they're still fetuses.

I don't know why people dodge this terminology, if it doesn't matter because they're human, then they're still human, they're just not babies until they're born. No matter how colloquially the term is used.

 

[Sunstone]

It´s a human being who has not reached puberty. That´s the definition of child.

Again, you are stretching the definition of "child" to include what the medical profession, science, and other sources do not label "children". If that's the way you want to use the term, fine. Your right. But be clear that your usage is not mainstream.

I don´t think so on both accounts.

I gave you three or four accounts. Which of the three or four are "both" to you? The health of the mother? Rape? Incest? Financial reasons?

 

[Me Myself]

As it is not born, the definition is inaccurate. Embryo or fetus depending on the point of development are the accurate terms. They're human fetuses but they're still fetuses.

I don't know why people dodge this terminology, if it doesn't matter because they're human, then they're still human, they're just not babies until they're born. No matter how colloquially the term is used.

Definition of child
noun (plural children /ˈtʃɪldr(&#601n/)
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority:
she’d been playing tennis since she was a child
the film is not suitable for children
a son or daughter of any age:
when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant
an immature or irresponsible person:
she’s such a child!
a person who has little or no experience in a particular area:
he’s a child in financial matters
(children) archaic the descendants of a family or people:
the children of Abraham
(child of) a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence or environment):
a child of the Sixties
Phrases

child's play

a task which is easily accomplished:
tapping telephones is child’s play
from a child

since childhood:
from a child she had taken ballet lessons

with child
archaic pregnant

 

[dgirl1986]

To make a new innocent victim? I disagree.

Unless you yourself have been raped and fallen pregnant, its easy to sit back and say stuff like that.

Rape is a traumatic enough experience that can screw up the individual enough as it is. Throwing a baby into that...

Saving lives is all well and good but who is going to take responsibility for the children after they are born?

 

[Sunstone]

Definition of child
noun (plural children /ˈtʃɪldr(&#601n/)
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority:
she’d been playing tennis since she was a child
the film is not suitable for children
a son or daughter of any age:
when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant
an immature or irresponsible person:
she’s such a child!
a person who has little or no experience in a particular area:
he’s a child in financial matters
(children) archaic the descendants of a family or people:
the children of Abraham
(child of) a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence or environment):
a child of the Sixties
Phrases

child's play

a task which is easily accomplished:
tapping telephones is child’s play
from a child

since childhood:
from a child she had taken ballet lessons

with child
archaic pregnant

All of that is irrelevant here. Especially since "archaic" refers to a usage that is currently out of date.

 

[Me Myself]

Again, you are stretching the definition of "child" to include what the medical profession, science, and other sources do not label "children". If that's the way you want to use the term, fine. Your right. But be clear that your usage is not mainstream.

Oxford dictionary says "with child" = pregnant. Sounds mainstream enough for me

I gave you three or four accounts. Which of the three or four are "both" to you? The health of the mother? Rape? Incest? Financial reasons?

I apologize on the ambiguity. None of the 4 merit making an innocent die.

 

[Drolefille]

There are always outlier cases... what is most important is to look at what is going on in the majority of the cases.

Why Do Women Have Abortions?

9/10 abortions - the vast majority - are not done for legitimate health reasons.


Here's another link - I've seen other studies that claim the percentage is as high as 33% trying to kill themselves after having an abortion.
Suicide Risk

considering all the women who kill themselves after having an abortion due to PTSD, I think pro-life laws save more than just the lives of the children.

Abortion is actually safer than childbirth
AND, your sources are ******.

 

[Drolefille]

Oxford dictionary says "with child" = pregnant. Sounds mainstream enough for me



I apologize on the ambiguity. None of the 4 merit making an innocent die.

In English you are incorrect.

It is an OLD usage and again, colloquial.
Stop getting into semantic arguments in English, as you keep getting it wrong.

 

[Apex]

Since Catholic doctrine says that the fetus shouldn't be aborted in that case, I suspect you know at least some people who would disagree.

Sorry, I don't know any die hard Catholics.

 

[Storm]

Here's another link - I've seen other studies that claim the percentage is as high as 33% trying to kill themselves after having an abortion.
Suicide Risk

considering all the women who kill themselves after having an abortion due to PTSD, I think pro-life laws save more than just the lives of the children.

Unless your blatantly biased source is simply lying.

 

[Sunstone]

Oxford dictionary says "with child" = pregnant. Sounds mainstream enough for me

Oxford seems to say the usage is archaic. Try again.

I apologize on the ambiguity. None of the 4 merit making an innocent die.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I think all four are legitimate reasons for an abortion.

 

[idea]

Abortion is actually safer than childbirth
AND, your sources are ******.

no, it isn't.
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

 

[dgirl1986]

no, it isn't.
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

I think that really depends on the circumstances.

 

[Drolefille]

Mental Health and Abortion Task Force Report

None of the literature reviewed adequately addressed the prevalence of mental health problems among women in the United States who have had an abortion. In general, however, the prevalence of mental health problems observed among women in the United States who had a single, legal, first-trimester abortion for nontherapeutic reasons was consistent with normative rates of comparable mental health problems in the general population of women in the United States.

This review identified several factors that are predictive of more negative psychological responses following first-trimester abortion among women in the United States. Those factors included:

• Perceptions of stigma, need for secrecy, and low or anticipated social support for the abortion decision;
• A prior history of mental health problems;
• Personality factors such as low self-esteem and use of avoidance and denial coping strategies; and
• Characteristics of the particular pregnancy, including the extent to which the woman wanted and felt committed to it.

Across studies, prior mental health emerged as the strongest predictor of postabortion mental health. Many of these same factors also predict negative psychological reactions to other types of stressful life events, including childbirth, and, hence, are not uniquely predictive of psychological responses following abortion.

 

[Me Myself]

Unless you yourself have been raped and fallen pregnant, its easy to sit back and say stuff like that.

Rape is a traumatic enough experience that can screw up the individual enough as it is. Throwing a baby into that...

Saving lives is all well and good but who is going to take responsibility for the children after they are born?

If someone killed my son while drunk driving I may want to chop him into little pieces or torture him. This doesn´t mean it would be okay.

I would certainly not blame a father for feeling that way, but that doesn´t mean I will support the action, even while I can fully understand such a strong feeling.

Similarly with rape, if someone raped my daughter, wife, mother, etc, I may want to kill this person or torture him. Wouldn´t be okay either.

I would probably love to share how it feels to lose a daughter if someone killed mine, that doesn´t mean I am killing his daughter if I find out he has one.

Because anger even when understandable will not justify an injustice.

 

[Me Myself]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I think all four are legitimate reasons for an abortion.

I imagined so

 

[Sunstone]

no, it isn't.
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

If you call that a respectable source, it's no wonder you're anti-choice.

 

[idea]

I think that really depends on the circumstances.

click on the link -
Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth | After Abortion

read all the studies - abortion is very risky business.

 

[dgirl1986]

If someone killed my son while drunk driving I may want to chop him into little pieces or torture him. This doesn´t mean it would be okay.

I would certainly not blame a father for feeling that way, but that doesn´t mean I will support the action, even while I can fully understand such a strong feeling.

Similarly with rape, if someone raped my daughter, wife, mother, etc, I may want to kill this person or torture him. Wouldn´t be okay either.

I would probably love to share how it feels to lose a daughter if someone killed mine, that doesn´t mean I am killing his daughter if I find out he has one.

Because anger even when understandable will not justify an injustice.

Its not the same thing. Not even close and it isnt about anger. Maybe it is something you should read up on, get aquainted with.

I notice you didnt address the last line in my post.