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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Teritos, Apr 12, 2021.

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  1. RayofLight

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    I heard something bout russia being the new Babylon.
     
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    "Fornication with kings of the earth" sounds like politicizing religion to me. A regular feature of governments is the uprising of the subjects and the overthrow/replacement of the government. Babylon the Great drinks from the political cup and falls to the eventual fate of governments.
     
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  4. Clara Tea

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    You state that the new Babylon is Saudi Arabia. Your interpretation of the bible is completely wrong. You don't show where in the bible it say that (or anything remotely like that).

    There is no "new Babylon." Old Babylon is the same as the Babylon of the bible. That Babylon has been there for thousands of years, as archaeological records prove.

    Nations were referred to by their capital cities, in the bible. So, the United States would have been called "Washington, D.C." had it been around back in biblical days. Hence, Iraq was called Babylon in the bible because Babylon was its capital city.

    Revelation is a chapter of the bible that deals with end times (when God destroys the world). It is a warning not to do things that will cause the world to end, because, doing such things is a sin against God, and a worse sin (carrying a worse punishment) than has ever been done before.

    This horrible sin, mentioned in the bible, is the destruction of the city (and country that owns it) of Babylon. Revelation 17.18 makes it very clear that the most powerful and richest nation in the world will be the country that makes war on Babylon and occupies it and corrupts it. That is why this powerful nation (United States of America) is called the Whore of Babylon.

    While we were fighting that war in Iraq, many Christian preachers were praising the war efforts, so they are not about to admit that they were on the side of Satan and defying God by attacking Iraq. Rather, they will say that there must be some other Babylon, a Babylon that nobody ever heard of that somebody (you speculate Arabia) will some day attack.

    You anticipate the attack of some fictional new Babylon, while the old (and real) Babylon (the one mentioned in the bible) was the one that has just been invaded, occupied, and corrupted.

    Because the US has corrupted Babylon (among other things, altering its elections to make sure that pro-United States leaders are elected), the United States is called the Whore of Babylon, in the bible.

    Revelation says that two Satanic demons from the brimstone depths of the bottomless pit of hell attacked Iraq . Those two are the ones who rose to lead the most powerful country of the world (United States). The dragon is President George H. W. Bush, and the beast (born of the mouth of the dragon...so the dragon's son) is President George W. Bush.

    The bible goes on to explain that the Whore of Babylon is United States, which is known for sins and flaunts jewels (especially mentioned are pearl necklaces). Remember that Barbara Bush (mother of W) repeatedly bragged that she wore a simple pearl necklace.

    The United States was known for many sex scandals (Eisenhower cheated on Mamie), George Bush (Sr.) had a steamy sex affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald, and Bill Clinton had sexual encounters (not really sex) with Monica Lewinski). These are some of the sins noted by Revelation.

    There is no question that both Bush presidents attacked Iraq, and that the punishments of God followed, just as predicted. For example, Revelation 15 says that there will be seven plagues (and COVID is one of them). There are a lot more punishments to come before the world ends.

    Notice that at no time in history has mankind sinned so horribly, nor, at any time in history has God's punishment been as severe. With Adam and Eve, the punishment was merely to get out of Eden (and a few other punishments, as well). With Noah, the punishment was flooding the world, and innocent and guilty people were drowned. In Sodom, a mere couple of cities were destroyed (and Lott's wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of society--small joke). Apparently, declaring war on a nation that was innocent of terrorism, and making a torture camp, is a severe sin. Also, consider that Iraq is a very special biblical location (the Garden of Eden was located there).

    Having led us down the path to perdition, modern preachers have no choice but to lie to us further. They must somehow convince us that Revelation isn't referring to Babylon (which we just defied God to attack).

    I remind you that Revelation, itself, says that in the end times, there will be a lot of people telling lies, and trying to rewrite or change the meaning of Revelation. According to the bible, God will write them out of the book of life forever, and they will burn in the lake of fire of hell for eternity.
     
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    "Iran will destroy Saudi Arabia" is that a good or bad thing? :)
     
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    Great pic! Sex, Violence, a Monster ... An Amazing Stories cover from 1930?
     
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    Russia historically claimed to be the new Rome.
     
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    To Rastafarians, the term “Babylon” is used to describe any manifestation of the economic and political forces which enslaved Africans and took them to the Americas and West Indies.
     
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    When all of this does NOT happen, remember that:
    a) the Bible prophesied it FALSELY
    b) you believed it wrongly
    c) you say sorry for misleading millions
    d) you say sorry for spreading false info on Saoedi Arabia
     
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    Human mind superimposes snakes on every rope he sees, when walking in the night. All you need is just 'light' to discard the illusion
     
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    Saudi Arabia is barely 100 years old mate. So maybe you should define the region in better terms and proper geographical denominations. You are making a huge error.
     
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    Wow, I have just missed the "creation" of Saudi Arabia; I was born in 1964. I wonder when such a unique opportunity will present itself again
     
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    Oh it will. It has, and it will.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Need to ask Mick Jagger. He'd know.
     
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    A colleague of mine said when asked "where do you think heaven is", and he replied "where ever you could stop for me to pee".

    If you get the gist of it, you would understand the depth of this.
     
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    The New and Improved Babylon - lasts much longer and 50% fewer calories.
     
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    This famous piece of biblical literature is widely believed by biblical scholar to be a critique of the roman empire for its destruction of Jerusalem and the enslavement and deportation of much of the Hebrew population that escaped the slaughters.

    The "new Babylon" here refers to the new Imperial power that controls the region, massacred and enslaved its population much like the Babylonian Empire did in the 8th century BC.
     
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    64 is just 5 years before the summer of 69 so you caught it. You are that lucky. :)
     
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    The word one. Of God. Whatever name you call creation is human chosen.

    Human thesis the thinker.

    O planet existed a long time in creation before a thinker.

    Then it's heavens evolved.

    The nature garden wood bodies existed before you. A human. Just humans.

    Then men teach preach. Man life was sacrificed because of wood. Said science.

    As a thinker just a human like you I would claim that status logical.

    Scientist you are not a tree in a past life as a human. The thinker wrong.

    If you use one word owning multi descriptions to claim one word status. To say Syria or Iraq or America you would own holy words.

    Syria or America or Rome one holy word.

    The reason........

    A planet.
    A heavens
    A nature.
    Humans living on God the planet standing and walking. Brothers human as we are all human in your own country. Which you give a nation title.

    Upon a holy planet. The same planet.

    Holy.

    By holy words.

    Then if you were brain irradiated you would infer fake science maths man theoried womb space attacked inference.

    All land mass of many nations was once science attacked.

    Then science would say. Just as human men. I dug up evidence as machine parts inside stone in various countries worldwide.

    Archaeological evidence said our brother the scientist in the past on God earth burnt us all to death.

    We abominated all life on earth. Said man the scientist. My ancient brother was a satanist in science.

    Yet today you are surviving on holy earth.

    Just beginning to remember today all countries were attacked after 2012 promise never arrived.

    Human spiritual evolution. Healing of mind and body.

    Oh that is right we all supported nuclear science again. Just like we did before.

    So we never learn the brotherhood of humanity says...... our owned science lesson.
     
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    Sometimes I need a rope. Oops, that one was a real snake. Though the snake is miffed, I'll use it as a rope anyway.
     
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