Iran Threatens to Destroy Israel in 30 Minutes: Does this ...

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I have known King Salman for many years and Abdallah before him.. This is NOT their thing.

Facts notwithstanding.

 

[sooda]

Facts notwithstanding.

You have facts? Were you there in Turkey at the Saudi embassy?

 

[sooda]

Assuming that:
1. Iran has the missiles to do so
2. Iran actually has the will to do so
3. The U.S. does not destroy the capability before it could even be used (refer to Dessert Storm)
4, Iran believes they could accomplish this and not end up themselves being anything but a radioactive ruin in the desert afterwards.

Iran is doing the bragging...…..

 

[Revoltingest]

Then I don't understand your comment about retaliation. It isn't hoped for, for them to exchange blows. It's okay not to retaliate. And if it's understandable for Iran to retaliate - so we're the last thing they received from SA and the Last thing they gave before that (by way of causing harm to the other party).

I.e.. Both are guilty. No need to excuse either specially.

I don't excuse.
I anticipate reactions, & urge parties involved to consider them before acting.

 

[sooda]

I don't excuse.
I anticipate reactions, & urge parties involved to consider them before acting.

We aren't even trying to talk to the Iranians.. and we pretend they are not shelling the airport in Abha. This a an absolutely idiotic situation.

 

[Revoltingest]

We aren't even trying to talk to the Iranians.. and we pretend they are not shelling the airport in Abha. This a an absolutely idiotic situation.

Discussion is good.
But it should be more than threats & voiding of agreements.

 

[Milton Platt]

Iran is doing the bragging...…..

I think it is all bluster. I'm optimistic, so for the moment, I will believe I'm right.

 

[Wasp]

We aren't even trying to talk to the Iranians.. and we pretend they are not shelling the airport in Abha. This a an absolutely idiotic situation.

We? Are you part of the Saudi Arabian government?

So, why do YOU bomb Yemeni civilians for years on end? Poor eyesight?

 

[Wasp]

You have facts? Were you there in Turkey at the Saudi embassy?

They practically admitted it.

 

[sooda]

Discussion is good.
But it should be more than threats & voiding of agreements.

Do the Iranians even identify what they WANT?

Shia are a minority.. they can't control Mecca and Medina.. The have plenty of oil and gas and admittedly they would benefit from nuclear power generation and desalination. They should have that.

Israel isn't going anywhere and they were friendly with Israel up to 1979.

They are guilty as hell in Yemen.. and they haven't done any good in Lebanon or Gaza.

Do you see the insanity?

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you see the insanity?

Yes.
I've even pointed it out...religion, you know.
But one cannot dismiss the whole of it as singularly that.
The parties involved also behave rationally, eg, Iran's
desire for nuclear weapons, which would likely give them
some immunity from US & Israeli attacks.

Calling others "crazy" or "fanatics" is often an excuse I
hear to say "We can't reason with those people!", thereby
justifying all out violent conflict. It's irrational to believe
that the other side cannot be rational. Pure prejudice.

I notice that you regularly cite examples of Iran being
the bad guy. And of KSA being the good guy.
I advise considering Iran's side more charitably.
A change in perspective is useful.....now, if only I could
get Trump's ear to suggest this. He sees them only as
evil...problems they pose...the enemy to be fought tooth &
claw. Instead he should also consider their wants & needs.
We just might see a little more peace.

 

[sooda]

Yes.
I've even pointed it out...religion, you know.
But one cannot dismiss the whole of it as singularly that.
The parties involved also behave rationally, eg, Iran's
desire for nuclear weapons, which would likely give them
some immunity from US & Israeli attacks.

Calling others "crazy" or "fanatics" is often an excuse I
hear to say "we can't reason with those people", thereby
justifying all out violent conflict. It's irrational to believe
that the other side cannot be rational. Pure prejudice.

Iran doesn't need nuclear weapons. They need nuclear power and have since Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace program.

 

[Audie]

Yes.
I've even pointed it out...religion, you know.
But one cannot dismiss the whole of it as singularly that.
The parties involved also behave rationally, eg, Iran's
desire for nuclear weapons, which would likely give them
some immunity from US & Israeli attacks.

Calling others "crazy" or "fanatics" is often an excuse I
hear to say "We can't reason with those people!", thereby
justifying all out violent conflict. It's irrational to believe
that the other side cannot be rational. Pure prejudice.

I notice that you regularly cite examples of Iran being
the bad guy. And of KSA being the good guy.
I advise considering Iran's side more charitably.
A change in perspective is useful.....now, if only I could
get Trump's ear to suggest this. He sees them only as
evil...problems they pose...the enemy to be fought tooth &
claw. Instead he should also consider their wants & needs.
We just might see a little more peace.

Personally, based on what I know of culture,
and the individuals from the two countries that
I have known, I would sure rather be friends
with Iran than KSA.

 

[Revoltingest]

Iran doesn't need nuclear weapons. They need nuclear power and have since Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace program.

Note that I added to the post you quoted.

You say they don't need nukes, but I don't think they'd see it so black
& white. They must observe that nuclear powers are a privileged lot,
largely immune from preemptive attack. And having been attacked
before, it's likely they'd judge that merely having nukes would be a
useful defense.
The capability of obtaining them could also be used as a bargaining
chip...as it was with Obama & the deal worked out. But Trump voided
that agreement, & showed that the bargaining chip strategy is less
useful because Americastan is even less trustworthy than before.
This makes actually having nuclear weapons relatively more attractive.

Our "master negotiator" President appears to have some agenda
other than peace with Iran. Perhaps it's electioneering by war?
Service to Israel? Wanton wielding of power? Or blind hatred?
Whatever it is, it is not putting Ameristan first.

 

[Revoltingest]

Personally, based on what I know of culture,
and the individuals from the two countries that
I have known, I would sure rather be friends
with Iran than KSA.

Same here.
Iranians (people, not government) like us.
We're far more the problem than they.

 

[sooda]

Note that I added to the post you quoted.

You say they don't need nukes, but I don't think they'd see it so black
& white. They must observe that nuclear powers are a privileged lot,
largely immune from preemptive attack. And having been attacked
before, it's likely they'd judge that merely having nukes would be a
useful defense. The capability of obtaining them could also be used
as a bargaining chip...as it was with Obama & the deal worked out.
But Trump voided the agreement, & showed that the bargaining chip
strategy is less useful because Americastan is even less trustworthy
than before. This makes actually having nuclear weapons relatively
more attractive.

There is merit in everything you say, but trump couldn't negotiate anything successfully . He feeds their worst fears and gives street cred to the nuts.

 

[sooda]

Same here.
Iranians (people, not government) like us.
We're far more the problem than they.

Ksa has opposed nuclear weapons for over 60 years

 

[Revoltingest]

There is merit in everything you say, but trump couldn't negotiate anything successfully . He feeds their worst fears and gives street cred to the nuts.

I can only advocate what we should do.
There's always the off chance that Trump reads our threads.
(I've long thought that @tytlyf might be his sock puppet.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Ksa has opposed nuclear weapons for over 60 years

They don't need them, since they're allied with USA & Israel.
But Iran's relationships differ, so they should be expected to
employ a different strategy.

If one heaps only praise on KSA, & scorn on Iran,
one will never understand the latter's motives.

 

[sooda]

We? Are you part of the Saudi Arabian government?

So, why do YOU bomb Yemeni civilians for years on end? Poor eyesight?

You don't know anything about Yemen. When you have followed their history for 6o years get back to me.