Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
Well, after I finish my peas, I'll just nip down the oesophagus shop and buy me another one! Do they have somewhere there that can fit it for me, or shall I attempt the DIY route?
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Intelligent Design and People
- Thread starter rojse
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Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I think the human body is amazing... Everything is so perfect. Our earth is PERFECT, see how in nature nothing survives on its own, it uses another life to live. Everything works in sync with each other, the system of interdependance is so perfect, yet so fragile. I coud not have asked for a better planet. We have long arms and legs for reach, fingers to grab, hand that can slide and grip, a body of internal organs that function perfectly, but yet again very fragile. I believe that humans are not the most perfect beings, there are so many other animals which show som amazing qualities.
By no means did our god do a sloppy job... Or science for that matter.
By no means did our god do a sloppy job... Or science for that matter.
Captain Civic
version 2.0
Would perfect knowledge precede perfect choices?
Sorry to drop the logic-bomb on you, but if in Evolutionary theory there is no Design, how can design flaws be used as evidence of Evolutionary fact? :sarcastic
rojse
RF Addict
I won't dignify this with a response.
Perhaps in a few decades, we might be able to alter the DNA of a person to remove these defects.
However, won't people then say that we are tampering with God's intentions for us and so forth?
However, that is a topic for another thread, though.
It is enough to say that we cannot alter whatever evolution or God has given us to work with at this moment..
rojse
RF Addict
I used "design flaws" from what had been posted as another person in my argument. The original poster used the phrase "design flaws", so I used that in my reply.
If we want to be more pedantic without imparting any more information, how about "things in a person that, if they were designed for us by a supernatural being that most people would designate the name God to, were not done with the due care and attention that we would expect from an omnipotent being."
What I mean when I say "design flaws" is simply things in people, or other animals, that can be useless, superfluous, done poorly in a way that can cause pain or discomfort, and so forth.
"Design flaws" is a much simpler way to express it.
Captain Civic
version 2.0
That made me think of Gattaca. :cover:
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
What do you mean by perfect knowledge?
They would not have perfect knowledge so much as perfect storage and application of knowledge.
Captain Civic
version 2.0
I mean could you make a perfect choice if all the information was not available to you?
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
That depends on what you mean by perfect.
You could make a perfect choice given the information you have.
logician
Well-Known Member
If our earth is so perfect, how come we have had several mass extinctions, and are headed towards another as we post?
How could the choice not be perfect, if it's a choice?
The design flaws are evidence of the principle of no design. A designer would not include flaws.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
One mans flaw might be anothers perfection.
Maybe it's just a question of perspective.
Francine
Well-Known Member
Flawlessness is itself a flaw. Stamp collectors place great value on stamps which contain printing errors. A snowflake can only form around a piece of dust which introduces a flaw in the crystal growth, and eventually leads to that snowflake's uniqueness. The sound of fingers rubbing over guitar strings during a performance are a flaw (they aren't called out in the tabs) but they lend a humanity to the music that playing a MIDI file through a synthesizer cannot come close to duplicating. The "flawless" drum machines of the 1980s and 90s made the pop music of those decades sound robotic and cheesy compared to the pop music of the 60s and 70s.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
That stuff is still flawed. It might be more enjoyable to some or even most people, but it's still flawed. A lot of times humans like things that have flaws more because they can identify more with them, or in the case of stamps and such, they are more rare, and so only a few can have them.
Of course, flaws are subjective. As was said before, what is a flaw to me may not be a flaw to you. But you can't be flawLESS if you have a flaw. The definition of flawless is "without flaws".
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
From what perspective is the appendix perfection?
It is, in essence, a giant poison filled balloon waiting to painfully explode.
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
Those are all relative, purely subjective things. We can't objectify them no matter how much we like or try to. Design can be objectified rather easily.