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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Neo Deist, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    We know that there are billions of stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way. Those stars can each have several planets in orbit around them.

    We know that there are billions of galaxies in the visible universe.

    Using those two facts, let's estimate that there are at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the universe. Of those let's say only .000001% can contain life. That leaves a (conservative) estimate of 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) potential alien civilizations.

    Yet our little mud ball of a planet is the center for religion, God's divine revelation, judgment, His son the Messiah, and the path to paradise in the afterlife? It is because of statistics like the above demonstrated that I reject revealed, earth bound, man made religions and embrace deism.

    :D
     
  2. Thana

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    So what?

    I really don't see how any of that would invalidate Theism.
     
  3. Skwim

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    "According to Mormon scripture, the Earth's creation was not ex nihilo, but organized from existing matter. The Earth is just one of many inhabited worlds, and there are many governing heavenly bodies, including the planet or star Kolob, which is said to be nearest the throne of God."
    source
     
  4. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    So far, so good...

    :facepalm:
     
  5. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

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    You think I jest?



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    How did you come up with the .000001% chance of other planets in the universe containing life. You're guessing? Wishful thinking?
     
  7. Town Heretic

    Town Heretic Temporarily out of order

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    You're assuming that life can simply happen. You're assuming the conclusion and then offering points from it. But that's the ballgame.

    If we are then it's not such a little ball of mud, though speaking as a Christian I'd say that our book is about God and man, not about whether or not God has another lamb out in the wilderness.

    All you have in those numbers is a vast construct. What you do with them isn't inevitable or inescapable, as conclusions go. But it's your journey and if you're determined to be alone in it I won't be able to stop you. So I'll wish you well instead.
     
  8. Skwim

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    Actually, he's assuming intelligent life can happen elsewhere, and then pretty much guesstimating the scope of occurrence.
     
  9. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita and Spiritualist
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    I think you need to consider that all religions and denominations are not like conservative Christianity which you are holding as the teachings of religion. You are whacking at a scarecrow. And anyway why would alien civilizations stop the need for human religions addressed for humans?
     
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  10. Town Heretic

    Town Heretic Temporarily out of order

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    The one is no contradiction of the other, but it was a game try...by which I mean it had a suspicious odor. I'd say more "but your tiresome prolixity, inability to face critical comment, and digression into irrelevancies is just too much". Sorry, just something I read once, somewhere...likely on a can of soup.
     
  11. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    Isn't deism also an earth-bound, man-made religion?
     
  12. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    No, because deism is not a religion. It is a philosophy that simply states the belief in God based on natural observations, instead of divine revelations through man made scrolls/books. Everything beyond that statement is personal mumbo jumbo.

    There is no deist church, holy book, priest hierarchy, etc.
     
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  13. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    The .000001% was a very small, very conservative number. As was the initial number of planets within a mere 1,000,000,000 galaxies. Chances are, the percentage is much higher, especially since NASA at space.com has stated that Hubble has identified at least 100 billion galaxies, instead of my use of 1 billion. :cool:

    I tried to keep it simple because we were getting into so many zeroes that my calculator looked at me funny...
     
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  14. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    With VERY conservative numbers... :)
     
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    Recycled retorts plus ad homs, and so early in the game yet. Come on T.H., time worn ploys like these really don't make mistakes go away. Your best tactic is to simply stop making them. Oh yes, sorry my "prolixity" observation cut so deeply that it's still with you. In the future I'll try to be more gentle.
     
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    Religion is an embarrassment, of course there would be millions of planets such as ours.
     
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    Intelligent life is much harder to appear than just ordinary life, I think that the odds are minuscule.
     
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    For all we know, that could be a vast overestimate.
     
  19. Guy Threepwood

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    There are 7 billion people on the planet, if only .000001 are exactly like you, that leaves a conservative estimate of seven thousand yous

    In truth you only have to identify a short list of mundane idiosyncrasies about yourself, to identify as utterly unique. Because each modest improbability compounds the others
    The list of idiosyncrasies that allow us to be here on Earth, is very long and far from mundane.

    If we do the math, I think the universe is far far too small to expect another Earth, let alone another humanity.

    If we found the galaxy to be teaming with ETs- I'd accept the implication that we are not necessarily the primary intended beneficiaries of creation.
    I'm willing to accept the opposite implication also- that of observed reality.
     
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  20. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div.

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    Your math is rather fuzzy.
     
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