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Ingenuity flies on Mars

Suave

Simulated character
Not quite sure what that means...but it was the Creator's intention to have humankind inhabit this earth forever......mortal beings were given the means to perpetuate their lives without sickness, ageing or death interfering with that life.

Heaven is for spiritual creatures, whereas we were designed for the earth and the earth was designed for us. I can see that quite clearly.

There never was heaven in our destiny in the original blueprint.....but someone messed up on the orders they were given and we ended up here.....thankfully it's not forever but sometimes detours can take you far out of your way in order to bring you to your destination.
The ancient nomadic tribes mistakenly believed there was a solid firmament over Earth keeping people separated from the heavens. Of course,, there is really no such limit to keeping all of person+hood kind here on Earth. I suppose if there were a Supreme being Creator who wanted everybody to remain on Earth, there would be an impassable boundary placed between people on Earth and outer-space.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The ancient nomadic tribes mistakenly believed there was a solid firmament over Earth keeping people separated from the heavens. Of course,, there is really no such limit to keeping all of person+hood kind here on Earth. I suppose if there were a Supreme being Creator who wanted everybody to remain on Earth, there would be an impassable boundary placed between people on Earth and outer-space.
Misinterpreting the Bible's description of Earth's atmosphere in no way detracts from the truth of what it meant. There is a boundary at which humans who travel through vertical space, lose the ability to breathe and to be sustained upright by gravity. We are confined to 'spaceship' Earth.....fully designed to support all the lifeforms who share this 'vehicle'.

The atmosphere is also designed to repel missiles from space in the form of meteors, which invariably burn up on entering it. What a handy shield......was it all accidental? Or was it designed?

It could be a wonderful ride if only humans weren't so selfish. :(
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Some meteors do strike Earth, and one about 80 million years ago wiped out most animal life, including the large dinosaurs.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Some meteors do strike Earth, and one about 80 million years ago wiped out most animal life, including the large dinosaurs.
But even an Earth suffering from disastrous effects of a major
meteorite strike is a far far more livable planet than Mars.
Mar is pretty, but it basically sucks as a place to live...
- Thin atmosphere with no O2.
- Negligible magnetosphere, which can't keep much of an atmosphere, & allows more deadly radiation.
- Poisonous soil.
- Very very difficult to get to & from.
- Dusty.
- Inadequate sunlight.
 

Suave

Simulated character
But even an Earth suffering from disastrous effects of a major
meteorite strike is a far far more livable planet than Mars.
Mar is pretty, but it basically sucks as a place to live...
- Thin atmosphere with no O2.
- Negligible magnetosphere, which can't keep much of an atmosphere, & allows more deadly radiation.
- Poisonous soil.
- Very very difficult to get to & from.
- Dusty.
- Inadequate sunlight.
This is why Mars would need a fusion powered artificial magnetosphere placed where the gravitational pull of Mars and the Sun are near equilibrium, thereby enabling Mars to be well protected by a magnetotail. This is needed as well as nearly one trillion kilograms of Sulfur Hexafluoride in order to transform Mars into a somewhat watery world where surface liquid water could sustain life. I figure just 10 millon rocket loads of this super green house gas from Earth to Mars should work to warm the average surface of Mars to above freezing. Assuming each rocket load of SF6 osts $100,000,000,the total cost of my 3,000 year plan to terraform Mars would be no more than a quadrillion dollars over the course of a few thousand years, this would amount to only a few thousand rocket loads of Sulfur Hexafluoride annually from Earth to Mars at an annual cost of only some few hundred billion dollars per year for the next few thousand years. A pretty inexpensive price to pay in order to transform Mars into a somewhat watery world where humans could live, eh? (edited) **Please let us consider this as being the ultimate interplanetary infrastructure development plan..**
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is why Mars would need a fusion powered artificial magnetosphere placed where the gravitational pull of Mars and the Sun are near equilibrium, thereby enabling Mars to be well protected by a magnetotail. This is needed as well as nearly one trillion kilograms of Sulfur Hexafluoride in order to transform Mars into a somewhat watery world where surface liquid water could sustain life. I figure just 10 millon rocket loads of this super green house gas from Earth to Mars should work to warm the average surface of Mars to above freezing. Assuming each rocket load of SF6 osts $100,000,000,the total cost of my 3,000 year plan to terraform Mars would be no more than a quadrillion dollars over the course of a few thousand years, this would amount to only a few thousand rocket loads of Sulfur Hexafluoride annually from Earth to Mars at an annual cost of only some few hundred billion dollars per year for the next few thousand years. A pretty inexpensive price to pay in order to transform Mars into a somewhat watery world where humans could live, eh?
Wouldn't making Earth more survivable be far cheaper?
And it doesn't even need any new technologies.
 
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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
"The fossil record isn't the only evidence in support of evolution. There is other collaborating evidence, such as overwhelming genetic evidence of common ancestry between humans and other great ape species. ...:)

Specific examples from comparative physiology and biochemistry:

Chromosome 2 in humans

Main article: Chromosome 2 (human)

Further information: Chimpanzee Genome Project § Genes of the Chromosome 2 fusion site

Figure 1b: Fusion of ancestral chromosomes left distinctive remnants of telomeres, and a vestigial centromere
Evidence for the evolution of Homo sapiens from a common ancestor with chimpanzees is found in the number of chromosomes in humans as compared to all other members of Hominidae. All hominidae have 24 pairs of chromosomes, except humans, who have only 23 pairs. Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.

The evidence for this includes:
The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the common chimpanzee, has near-identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere.
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the middle.

Chromosome 2 thus presents strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. According to J. W. Ijdo, "We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2."
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Figure 1b: Fusion of ancestral chromosomes left distinctive remnants of telomeres, and a vestigial centromere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_o...on_descent

"Endogenous retroviruses (or ERVs) are remnant sequences in the genome left from ancient viral infections in an organism. The retroviruses (or virogenes) are always passed on to the next generation of that organism that received the infection. This leaves the virogene left in the genome. Because this event is rare and random, finding identical chromosomal positions of a virogene in two different species suggests common ancestry. Cats (Felidae) present a notable instance of virogene sequences demonstrating common descent. The standard phylogenetic tree for Felidae have smaller cats (Felis chaus, Felis silvestris, Felis nigripes, and Felis catus) diverging from larger cats such as the subfamily Pantherinae and other carnivores. The fact that small cats have an ERV where the larger cats do not suggests that the gene was inserted into the ancestor of the small cats after the larger cats had diverged. Another example of this is with humans and chimps. Humans contain numerous ERVs that comprise a considerable percentage of the genome. Sources vary, but 1% to 8% has been proposed. Humans and chimps share seven different occurrences of virogenes, while all primates share similar retroviruses congruent with phylogeny."
The “chromosome 2” evidence, with the fused telomeres, is flawed...in more ways than one:


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