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Individualism vs. Collectivism

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Snow White, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    No problem, so long as it's done voluntarily,
     
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    Eh? By drones I mean mindless automatons that selflessly serve and sacrifice for the hive.
     
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    everyone should be willing to work for it. even the beast of burden shouldn't be muzzled from grinding out the corn


    uh huh


     
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  4. Fool

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    have your never seen a honey man in a brothel?

    honey pot


    dripping wet and sticky



    the hive already has it all
     
  5. Father Heathen

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    Sorry, your wet and sticky honey men analogy makes no sense to me.
     
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  6. Fool

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    no problem the subconscious caught it
     
  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Methinks twas showing off knowledge of such affairs.
    Ew.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    We are unique...
    Just like everyone else.
     
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    and there it is...how far that line goes is always the question....the imbalance we see when injustice prevails, wars, strife, dirty competition, attrition, etc.
    How far will one be expected to bend for the greater social good..... history shows all manner of barbarism and sadism which show just how far people are expected to bend by obviously deranged and wicked individuals and institutions.
    so what rights then does one have that cannot have a lien put against them, via some kind of contract...like this invisible social contract we are assumed to have and are presumed to uphold, yet inequity is the order of that game where the bottom rung of the societal ladder is expected to give all while the few on top never do....I haven't seen any kind of sign of some kind of truly benevolent system yet.....people are savage barbarians, hell bent on enslaving each other.
    always some kind of consideration involved in everything people do.
     
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    If he likes licking honey off of a callboy's chest then that's cool I suppose but I'm not sure how it's relevant to the thread topic.
     
  12. Tambourine

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    Implying that individuals are the opposite of society, which is terrible nonsense
     
  13. Ponder This

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    I think that individualism and collectivism are not mutually exclusive. There can be individual freedoms that benefit the collective.

    For example, personal property is an individual freedom that benefits the collective.

    And it goes both ways.

    For example, public property is collective principle that benefits individuals.

    It is not even accurate to say that individualism and collectivism exist as opposite poles on a dynamic scale. IMO, that fails to describe the relationship of the individual to the collective and vice versa.

    The question should be: What sorts of things are best managed collectively and what sorts of things are best managed individually?
     
  14. Tambourine

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    Personal property is not an individual freedom, it's a social obligation. Otherwise I agree.
     
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    Collectivist values are characterized by moral frameworks and social behaviours which emphasize the group and its interests and therefore favour in-group interests (such as communal, societal, or national interests) over the interests of its individual members, and further favour the interests of in-group members over those of out-group members. Individualistic values, on the other hand, favour the interests of the individuals over the interests of in-group as well as out-group members; they therefore value the independence, self-reliance and self-realization of the individual over communal, societal, or national interests

    Individualistic values are related to an increase in the outbreaks of infectious diseases and zoonotic diseases | Scientific Reports
     
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  16. Revoltingest

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    I don't buy that inference (denial of a spectrum).
     
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