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Individualism vs. Collectivism

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Snow White, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. Snow White

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    In nations without two party systems, is individualism or collectivism held to a higher degree?

    Which means more to you?
     
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  2. Tambourine

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    Individual vs. Collective is a dumb dichotomy that only serves to obfuscate the realities of living in a human society.
    Our society is a precondition for our individualism, and vice versa. No single human individual would survive without the rest of humanity. To condition people to only rely on themselves is the greatest thought crime in the history of philosophy.
     
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    I don't see one better than the other. Though many people tend to put down individualism for collectivism in one way or another. Individualism helps promote progress and change. It's seen as "bettering oneself" so one can better others. Parents tell their children to leave of age like mother birds pushing their babies out. A lot of times they come back. Depending on what part locality your'e from. US has many sub-culturish-some more collectivist oriented and others not.

    As for party system, I see more individualism in the news than collectivism. Probably cause of the nature of the cultures-individualist are more personal spoken and collectivist group spoken. So, unless people have the same mindset (In the States), individualist is pretty much what we have. Collaboration rather than integration.
     
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  4. sun rise

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    Focus on the individual or group varies by culture and time from what I've seen. In some places and times one is emphasized whereas other times it's different. Personally I loved the way this was explored in Star Trek

     
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    Imo it really depends more on culture. Britain isn't what I would call a two-party system and we tend to be individualistic in contrast to many nations, but when compared to the US we can be quite collectivist.
     
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    "We tend to be individualistic" is one of the most ironic statements I've read in a long time.
     
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    And when or where was this crime ever committed
     
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    collective individualism, mutual self help society of friends who are decent company, because they seek excellence
    collaborative-ism, the cooperative laboratory
     
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    Bit of a misrepresentation imo. It's not really a dichotomy, but 2 points on a continuum where modern societies fall somewhere in between.

    Individualism in this context is not really about 'relying only on themselves', it's about the extent to which a given society places emphasis on the rights of the individual vis-a-vis the rights of the group (tribe, family, religion, nation, etc.).

    The greater the degree of collectivism the more the individual is expected to subjugate some of their own desires to fulfil traditions or limit their behaviours to meet group expectations.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I lean towards individualism.
    Not a fan of hive living.
     
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    the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. the collective is an individual
     
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    I think it's all about finding balance. We're social animals but not hive drones.
     
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  14. Fool

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    and yet you depend on the hive to exist


    I AM you will be assimilated
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Did you miss the word "lean"?
     
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    To me individualism. There seems to those individuals that everyone else relies on and those that can't get through the day without relying on someone else.

    Without those few self-reliant individuals, most of society would end up in the crapper.

    The collective in my experience isn't that smart. Look at the type of folks we keep electing to run the country. :shrug:

    I like to see people become more self-reliant. We need more people supporting the system and less being supported by it.
     
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    love would contradict.


    isn't that what drones do? love making? making music?


     
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    no you lean any way you want I AM'll catch u
     
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    I'll elaborate...
    People are social animals in a spectrum.
    Some lean more in the individualism direction.
    Others in the hive direction.
    It's not about extremes....purity is a rarity.
     
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    service to self is necessary for the individual to grow physically and psychologically/spiritually.


    once the basics are met, then that one can share its excess through philanthropy


    thank you
     
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