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Indian Gurus get a peer review system

Discussion in 'Hinduism DIR' started by sayak83, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. ajay0

    ajay0 Well-Known Member

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    Fraudsters should be dealt in the same way a quack in medicine is dealt with.

    Peer review by qualified people or groups is the key to identify fraudsters and create awareness in the public about them so that they will not fall for their antics and nonsense.
     
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  2. Valjean

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    Maybe Left temporal status epilepticus?
    But what does Maya have to do with an enlightened sadhu? Isn't enlightenment a transcendence of Maya?
    As for money, why would a jivanmukti care one way or another about it? He's awakened from the dream; he perceives the world, including wealth, as just a dream. He no longer dwells in the material world.
     
  3. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    I was thinking about something in Sanskrit or Hindi.
     
  4. DeviChaaya

    DeviChaaya Jai Ambe Gauri
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    When a person becomes a sadhu it is very different to taking sanyas or becoming a brahmacari. A person initiated into a renounciant order is, in India, considered legally dead. The legally dead cannot accept cash or goods, can they? They're dead, after all, and what dead money needs material things?

    Many of these famous gurus don't even claim to be sadhus but they're still riding on the backs of these orders, ESPECIALLY Nithyananda who claims still to be the next head of the Mahanirvani peetham. I wonder if he would actually have to become a sadhu of the order to manage it? I cannot imagine him giving up all his women and gold.
     
  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Vama Pantha?
    You mean like King Janaka? But then why are these gurus involved in sex scandals? And if you say that for a Jivan Mukta, even a sex scandal is not a problem, then it is LHP. Perfectly OK for the individuals but not for the society. Normally such people were shunted out of the cities and made to live in forests with no contact with the society. If one wants to live in a society, then one must follow the rules of the society. Hinduism did not prohibit it. An example is wanting to live in nude. OK, do that, but don't do it in the society.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that many of these sadhus aren't phoney, or that lifestyle can't be a clue to personality. I'm just wondering how competent these proposed political committees would be in determining the level of consciousness of some of the less flamboyant of these purported saints.
     
  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    It is not a political committee. It is a Hindu religious committee pronouncing its view when they think it is necessary to do so to safe-guard Hinduism and Hindu society.

    The Supreme Court will hear Nithiyananda's case in this month. He claimed that he was impotent. The Court ordered a medical examination which has falsified this.
    Swami Nithyananda Case: Will Justice Prevail? | NewsClick
    Condoms, drugs and secret contracts... the story of why Nithyananda is in trouble

    Whether justice prevails or not is a political decision as we have seen in the recent case of Gurmeet Ram Rahim. His ahsram was searched 10 days after the judicial verdict when the court ordered it. Most incriminating evidence was taken out in the first two days itself. His companion, Honeypreet was allowed to board the helicopter taking Gurmeet to jail, though the police had no business to do so. She has since disappeared (she could be clandestinely in jail with him. Note Honeypreet's pink bag, that is something special). A sedition case was imposed on Honeypreet after her disappearance. Gurmeet sent 14 cadavers to a medical college for which there is no record. They say many people have been murdered and buried in his ashram, but this was not checked.
    Ram Rahim wanted adopted daughter Honeypreet to stay with him in Rohtak jail

    In a democracy like India, political parties cannot overlook the electoral effects of meddling with these Godmen who have a following of millions of people. Asaram was important in Gujarat, Gurmeet is important in Haryana and Nithiyananda is important in Karnataka. (supposed to have a following of 10 million people). BJP won in Haryana with the help of Gurmeet.

    Gurmeet has been indicted. Asaram's case lingers, three of the witnesses of the case have been murdered. Let us see what happens in Nithiyananda's case. I see Rajeev Malhotra defending Nithiyananda which is absolutely wrong. The actress (Ranjitha), whose video with Nithiyananda was on internet is now a resident of his ashram (in house).
     
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  8. Shantanu

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    It is wrong for the Akhara Parishad to set up this form of scrutiny and castigate people who have a following for whatever reason. That amounts to criticising a devotee for being an adherent of a particular guru and following therefore a particular religion. Hinduisim cannot be controlled and regulated in this way. It does not have a central authority. I am free to carve out whatever brand of Hinduism I am convinced of and preach to whoever it is that wants to listen. Yes I am a guru and I preach through my Blog. Can someone ask the Akhara Parishad if I am fake?
     
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    I just can't see it having much affect. The courts of law, on the other hand, do.
     
  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Hindus generally have full faith in Akhara Parishad pronouncements.
     
  11. JayaBholenath

    JayaBholenath Resident Nagini

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    Augh thank the based kitten Radhe maa is on the list... Really can't stand her (as much as you can't stand Nithyananda, DeviChaaya :D)

    Unfortunately doubt it won't change much, however, this is a really good start in the right direction. It may open ideas and opportunities to make this an efficient tool or system (but am optimistic, guess ?)

    Aum namah Shivaya
     
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    If I knew anything about her I'm sure I'd detest her too. Now if only the Nithyanandis would take 'Nithyananda isn't for me' as a valid response and stop telling me he is the guru I need.
     
  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    She seem to have barely escaped arrest fort-night ago. Be assured, she won't last long.

    "Bombay High Court: Strange that cops insist on custody of Radhe Maa, not in-laws accused of domestic violence"
    The HC, on August 14, had granted interim relief to Kaur in the form of protection from arrest for a fortnight.
    Bombay High Court: Strange that cops insist on custody of Radhe Maa, not in-laws accused of domestic violence

    Court rejects Radhe Maa's request to remove her name from domestic violence case
     
  14. Shantanu

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    Ultimately the courts have to decide what is lawful according to the Constitution of the State and what is an unlawful act from a guru even with a huge following. This is where religion can come into conflict with secular law on many issues. The maturity of the State is then brought into question. The courts will not interfere unless the law is broken, like on murder, rape, and paedophilia.
     
  15. ratikala

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    I have thought about this question , some one here has said that maybe even if these gurus are blacklisted people will still follow them , others have suggested that there will be an element of corruption where by fake gurus will not be disclosed ...

    I can only think of one solution , that is that we try to understand the minds of those who are attracted to these persons , and that we try to more actively discuss the true qualities of a Guru so that by this positive action we might cause others to personaly reflect , ....

    this is the message contained within the Gita , ....

    kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ
    prapadyante ‘nya-devatāḥ
    taṁ taṁ niyamam āsthāya
    prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā

    “Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.” (Bg. 7.20)
    likewise here those with material natures are attracted to false gurus because these false gurus exhibit material qualities and offer false promices of a material nature.
    antavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ
    tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām
    devān deva-yajo yānti
    mad-bhaktā yānti mām api

    “Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.” (Bg. 7.23)

    Similarly those who follow false gurus reep only temporary benifits , ....

    the solution here with this question of exposing these imposters is not just to expose them but to educate their would be deciples or followers to teach them the true qualities of a Brahmana and how it is only the truely renounced wo can lead us to a position of grace , only this truely renounced soul can bring us closser to God be that Shiv Ji , Sri Visnu , ...... what ever tradition it hardly matters only the true servant , the renounced Guru can give that blessing of Knowledge ....

    also much like when Sri Krsna explains to Arjuna that those who worship the demi gods actualy worship Visnu himself (as he resides in the heart of all beings) , but that they do so in the wrong way , ...the correct way being to worship directly ,

    those who worship in this wrong way will eventualy come to knowledge of the true way merely by dint of worshiping , but the path will be ardious with many pitfalls as material nature is very beguiling , ...therefore we need to help these other deciples where ever we can simply by concentrating on discussing the true and virtious qualities of the true Brahmanas rather than concentrating on the sordid activities of the deluded , ....

    prey that none be deceived by Maya and that each with a propencity to worship find their way onto a true path ...this is all we can do ....pray _/\_ xxx
     
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    It's wonderful to see you back, Ratikala ji :)
     
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