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In your own words, what is your understanding of religion as a tool to wisdom

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Can you say something about how you understand of religions to be a way to wisdom of the spiritual realm and why we have different religions in this world? Still in this tread, only your own words )
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans know we all own the exact same lived life experience. Variables knowingly applied in a group strategy. How religion came about, group, co joined agreed idealism.

You would then have to own a question, for what purpose did a natural family living and multi applied human grouped function fail itself, in a natural existence that was by determined self will and life free will changed into a control of will against natural self purpose.

And science is the only truthful answer. What is not natural nor normal to apply as force. Seeing we all exist in our Nature freely with interactive change in that natural state that is already forceful in all of its natural variations.

So we knowingly realize we are conscious. In that natural conscious human self awareness we also realize what it is to be natural and spiritual by determined self reference in the order of life. Knowing by hierarchical self presence, humans owned the dominion over all other natural forms...yet without natural form and order we would not survive.

Science does not support the basis for natural order.

It is conditioned to a life style.

Humans therefore always knew that we are all babies who grow into adults. So our first 2 parents were all the same 2 parents, yet they had to be multi parents in life, for 2 parents cannot just give birth to the multi self presence. Especially when humanity are spread about the globe of Earth.

What became of life in science cause and effect, to alter natural order, was that our own natural order, DNA/GENETICS changed. And we became subject to our own contentious inheritance. To be changed in unnatural amounts of radiation that alter the chemistry of our biology. How religious idealism against the sciences emerged and was expressed in a multi varied Earth life attack in science cause.

Phenomena in science proved to itself by the manifestation or conjuring of the evil spirit in science radiation burning changes....that we owned self identification that spiritually we had come from some other higher place that allowed our lives to identify change. Or else we could not express the ability to know it.

So we discussed the theme religion in storytelling themes, as it was never scientific....as science first began its own origins as male designer, builder and owner operator....as a human. Stories never owned science, which is a detailed descriptive analogy/research function as applied by the highest spiritual self...a natural and original human being male.

So anything that a male studied in creation was of course less than his own self.

Which enabled him to determine therefore we did in fact arrive from and moved out from a higher place, that was spiritual as compared to conversion.

How and why religion was introduced through human experience.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Can you say something about how you understand of religions to be a way to wisdom of the spiritual realm and why we have different religions in this world? Still in this tread, only your own words )
I tend to view that various religions and denominations as being attempts to understand God(s), but I don't believe any one of them has any sort of monopoly on the Truth, whatever that may be.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I tend to view that various religions and denominations as being attempts to understand God(s), but I don't believe any one of them has any sort of monopoly on the Truth, whatever that may be.
Do i understand you right that you think every religion/spiritual path at least hold some truth? But you can not say if all of the religion hold the full truth?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
The phrase "spiritual realm" has no direct equivalent in my own tradition, but I typically assume people mean what I call the "otherworlds." The otherworlds are infinitely vast. It is hardly surprising that different peoples and cultures encounter different aspects of the otherworlds and draw different conclusions about them. It would be plainly shocking if elsewise was the case, honestly. Culture (of which religion is a component) provides some sign posts for navigating the otherworlds, but no culture has all the signposts. Characterizing these signposts as "wisdom" isn't quite how I would put it. Many cultures have problematic relationships and views on various aspects of the otherworlds. In all cases, working deeply with the otherworlds is rarely something everyday people do and is left to specialists.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Religion is like training wheels for those who are learning to ride a bicycle. Once riding is mastered, the training wheels are no longer needed even though they were vital at an earlier stage.

And what is "riding" in this context? It's finding the truth within oneself and living that truth.

And, of course, this does not come easily to the vast majority of people, including myself.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Religion is like training wheels for those who are learning to ride a bicycle. Once riding is mastered, the training wheels are no longer needed even though they were vital at an earlier stage.

And what is "riding" in this context? It's finding the truth within oneself and living that truth.

And, of course, this does not come easily to the vast majority of people, including myself.
It is a bumpy road to walk, but the effort we lay down is the forward motion of the path :) Inner wisdom does not come easy
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Can you say something about how you understand of religions to be a way to wisdom of the spiritual realm and why we have different religions in this world? Still in this tread, only your own words )

The end of religion is the beginning of wisdom.

You start out looking for answers/truth thinking someone has to possess these. Lot of claims are made and being young and ignorant you have little choice except to listen. Eventually you come to learn that no one has any real answers or any knowledge of something called "truth". Of course you wouldn't know this unless you involved yourself in these various beliefs.

So once you accept that no one has any secret knowledge and there is no truth to be learned you find a place of peace and can let go of the search for truth.

One has to face the illusion of truth to let go of it. Religion forces one to come face to face with the illusion of truth, accept it for what it is, and let go of it.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
The end of religion is the beginning of wisdom.

You start out looking for answers/truth thinking someone has to possess these. Lot of claims are made and being young and ignorant you have little choice except to listen. Eventually you come to learn that no one has any real answers or any knowledge of something called "truth". Of course you wouldn't know this unless you involved yourself in these various beliefs.

So once you accept that no one has any secret knowledge and there is no truth to be learned you find a place of peace and can let go of the search for truth.

One has to face the illusion of truth to let go of it. Religion forces one to come face to face with the illusion of truth, accept it for what it is, and let go of it.
Honestly @Nakosis that is some of the most impressive wisdom I have ever read or heard :) Thank you for sharing your own wisdom
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Can you say something about how you understand of religions to be a way to wisdom of the spiritual realm and why we have different religions in this world? Still in this tread, only your own words )
I think religions help people clarify their own ethical ideals, and then provide them with tools that they can use to help themselves better embody those ideals.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Can you say something about how you understand of religions to be a way to wisdom of the spiritual realm and why we have different religions in this world? Still in this tread, only your own words )
Religions are poetic prose in different languages, explaining the nature of reality; different cultures of religion gave rise to different languages, and societies based on religious ethics.

Currently much of the world is very confused, as much of their religious texts coincide with each other in concepts, and wording; yet people are racists, so they become bigoted over different traditional words meaning the same thing.

When we understand that in all religious texts, when we take words to root meanings, we can show how the wisdom within the teachings are the same; the errors are often more noticeable when we cross reference the religions, as it makes a clearer cohesive total to analyse.

Yet to understand each wisdom, we have to understand contexts properly of each religious structuring, and concept; then when we understand the subjects, we can cross reference them, and see the simplicities within the middle line of the contrasts.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Religions are poetic prose in different languages, explaining the nature of reality; different cultures of religion gave rise to different languages, and societies based on religious ethics.

Currently much of the world is very confused, as much of their religious texts coincide with each other in concepts, and wording; yet people are racists, so they become bigoted over different traditional words meaning the same thing.

When we understand that in all religious texts, when we take words to root meanings, we can show how the wisdom within the teachings are the same; the errors are often more noticeable when we cross reference the religions, as it makes a clearer cohesive total to analyse.

Yet to understand each wisdom, we have to understand contexts properly of each religious structuring, and concept; then when we understand the subjects, we can cross reference them, and see the simplicities within the middle line of the contrasts.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
Thank you for your reply Wizanda, But can i ask how a person become racist when it comes to understanding religious texts, when racists mean to be against a race or a certain kind of people? Not sure i understand your meaning of the word racist
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
can i ask how a person become racist when it comes to understanding religious texts, when racists mean to be against a race or a certain kind of people?
Because a religion will apply to a colour of skin, often people won't read each others texts, as they speak different languages; then they see each other as aliens to each other, due to societal norms, and traditions.

Thus often the reason bigotedness even exists, is because people were racist in the first place; otherwise they'd realize often religions are speaking about the same things, just using different words in different languages.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Because a religion will apply to a colour of skin, often people won't read each others texts, as they speak different languages; then they see each other as aliens to each other, due to societal norms, and traditions.

Thus often the reason bigotedness even exists, is because people were racist in the first place; otherwise they'd realize often religions are speaking about the same things, just using different words in different languages.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Honestly that is some words from one who see him self as Messiah. Can you honestly say that Messiah 2000 years ago would go around calling people Racists?
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Natural language born out of a necessity to conceptualize and relate is the most useful expression of spiritual understanding. Religion just seems to contrive things beyond necessity.

Take the word honesty. How do you and I both understand what that word means?
There is a need and use for the term. Those that have created words to express ideas and then built on that foundation are far more wise then those who create mumbo jumbo for people to buy into.
 
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