In your belief and understanding

[Spirit of Light]

What is the soul?
When a person leave this physical existence, how is ot possible to see the soul leaving the body?
(Yes I have seen it my self)

 

[Secret Chief]

You'll probably not be surprised (ex Buddhist and all that) that I do not consider persisting souls to be a thing.

 

[SalixIncendium]

While I don't believe in the existence of a soul in the traditional sense, I do recognize a subtle body that is bound to this reality through desire and attachment.

In answer to your second question, in my experience, this subtle body isn't visually perceptible. The mind sees what it wants to see.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You'll probably not be surprised (ex Buddhist and all that) that I do not consider persisting souls to be a thing.

No, its no surprise

 

[Secret Chief]

No, its no surprise

Good. I hate surprises.

 

[Spirit of Light]

While I don't believe in the existence of a soul in the traditional sense, I do recognize a subtle body that is bound to this reality through desire and attachment.

In answer to your second question, in my experience, this subtle body isn't visually perceptible. The mind sees what it wants to see.

For me when I saw my fathers soul i was not looking for it or expecting to see it. It was just there, I was not alone seeing it

 

[SalixIncendium]

For me when I saw my fathers soul i was not looking for it or expecting to see it. It was just there, I was not alone seeing it

Interesting. What was it doing?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Interesting. What was it doing?

In the moment my father took his last breath this "White mist" rose from his body and slowly went up to the roof in the room. And suddenly every tension in the room become calm.

 

[RestlessSoul]

For me when I saw my fathers soul i was not looking for it or expecting to see it. It was just there, I was not alone seeing it

Whilst I have not seen a soul leaving a body, the first time I saw a dead body I was struck by a palpable absence. It seemed clear at the time that whatever had once animated the living body, had now left it. The difference between a living body and a dead one, is quite unlike turning off a car engine, for example.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Ah, souls - you'll perhaps know why I don't believe in such - given that personality and character tend to account for much - as in overlap.

Witness for the prosecution: Produce one - and anecdotal evidence will not be admissible.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Whilst I have not seen a soul leaving a body, the first time I saw a dead body I was struck by a palpable absence. It seemed clear at the time that whatever had once animated the living body, had now left it. The difference between a living body and a dead one, is quite unlike turning off a car engine, for example.

Yes, the body suddenly become just cells with no life.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ah, souls - you'll perhaps know why I don't believe in such - given that personality and character tend to account for much - as in overlap.

Witness for the prosecution: Produce one - and anecdotal evidence will not be admissible.

I think one has to experience it to believe it fully

 

[SalixIncendium]

Whilst I have not seen a soul leaving a body, the first time I saw a dead body I was struck by a palpable absence. It seemed clear at the time that whatever had once animated the living body, had now left it. The difference between a living body and a dead one, is quite unlike turning off a car engine, for example.

I actually experienced this transition from presence to absence watching my kid die. Her body was still alive, but she was clearly gone.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Ah, souls - you'll perhaps know why I don't believe in such - given that personality and character tend to account for much - as in overlap.

Witness for the prosecution: Produce one - and anecdotal evidence will not be admissible.

Do you think mind and body are sufficient to define you, in your entirety? When you observe your own thoughts, instincts, fears and reactions, is there not a distinction between the observer, and the observed? So, if I am not my thoughts, then what am I? What is the "I" that calls myself me?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I actually experienced this transition from presence to absence watching my kid die. Her body was still alive, but she was clearly gone.

Man, that must have shook you.

Blessings, brother. The things that leave us, don't go far away.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Man, that must have shook you.

Blessings, brother. The things that leave us, don't go far away.

It certainly had a significant impact on how I perceive this reality.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think one has to experience it to believe it fully

And perhaps you don't understand how the mind deceives itself.

 

[Fool]

What is the soul?
When a person leave this physical existence, how is ot possible to see the soul leaving the body?
(Yes I have seen it my self)

a soul is to be found in a person. it doesn't exist after/apart from the person. the spirit does. a soul is created. a spirit is not.

in both the ot and nt, there is a reference to a soul or a spirit but they aren't the same thing.

so some believe the soul goes to heaven, persons do not. the body remains on earth; so there is no longer a person but only a spirit remaining. you are a spirit having a soul experience. you are not a soul having a spiritual experience.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Do you think mind and body are sufficient to define you, in your entirety?

Pretty much, since it mostly explains what happens with regards our perceptions and beliefs - even if such (understanding) is an ongoing project.

When you observe your own thoughts, instincts, fears and reactions, is there not a distinction between the observer, and the observed?

Not really - I do tend to own whatever occurs. And understanding the process often explains such - so plaudits to science and all allied areas.

So, if I am not my thoughts, then what am I? What is the "I" that calls myself me?

All of one's existence is "I", and cannot be otherwise, to me at least, given we are born into whatever shell we find ourselves, and we own whatever happens. I think the "I" is a product of our mind processes and nothing more, much like what occurs in most other lifeforms.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And perhaps you don't understand how the mind deceives itself.

Could be