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Featured In The Bible Who, What, Is/Are, Lilith(s)

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Skwim, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    There are several confusing references to the Lilith in the Christian Bibles; from being a specific female,(a proper name) a specific kind of female (not a proper name), to kinds of females.(more than one that carry a proper name).


    Isaiah 34:14
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    The creatures of the desert will encounter jackals And the hairy goat will call to its kind; Indeed, Lilith (night demon) will settle there And find herself a place of rest.

    CEB
    Wildcats will meet hyenas, the goat demon will call to his friends, and there Lilith will lurk and find her resting place.

    DARBY
    And there shall the beasts of the desert meet with the jackals, and the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; the lilith also shall settle there, and find for herself a place of rest.

    ISV
    And desert creatures will meet with hyenas, and goat-demons will call out to each other. There also Liliths will settle, and find for themselves a resting place.

    LEB
    And desert creatures shall meet with hyenas, and a goat-demon shall call to his neighbor; surely there Lilith shall repose, and she shall find a resting place for herself.

    MSG
    . . . Wildcats and hyenas will hunt together, demons and devils dance through the night. The night-demon Lilith, evil and rapacious, will establish permanent quarters. Scavenging carrion birds will breed and brood, infestations of ominous evil.

    NABRE
    Wildcats shall meet with desert beasts, satyrs shall call to one another; There shall the lilith repose, and find for herself a place to rest.

    NRSV
    Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest.

    VOICE
    Among the howling and hissing wild creatures and demons, Lilith herself, demoness of the night, will call Edom her haunt, A place to recoup and rest between her devastating forays.

    And many, many Bibles don't bother to mention the name/word at all.

    Not that this is important to Christian theology---at least I don't think it is---but one would think there would be a far better consensus as to what the writer of Isaiah, whom ever he was, was talking about.

    So what's going on? Is the passage that mentions Lilith simply not important enough to get right? That when god gave Isaiah 34:14 to man he simply didn't care enough: "Mention her/them/it if you like . . . or not"?

    Is Isaiah 34:14 simply filler?

    That 2Timothy 3:16

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" ​

    is just so much hooey?


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    If I recall, I believe it is a synonym for "succubus", which is apparently a really hot female demon :tearsofjoy:
     
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    Lilith was Adam's first wife but she is not just a Jewish concept. This is a good article about her:
    Lilith | Jewish Women's Archive You can see that there was an intermingling of peoples in the Middle East. I always think that this should be recognized but I don't think it is ever spoken about.
     
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    Paul would consider spirit entities as real.
     
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    Find the term quantum mexhanics in the text do ya see it? Keep teyong thats what we know. Ok that word anyone around that understands it? Nope. They are all dead. We can play make believe it actually makes no sense how you presented it. did ya google it? If yes there ya go if no there ya go.
     
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    That is a made up story from around 900/1000ad

    In the ninth or tenth century, a clever collection of legends titled the Alphabet of Ben Sira draws on earlier stories of Adam’s wife, and of Adam’s coupling with demons, and spins an elaborate story in which Lilith is Adam’s first wife:
     
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    In my opinion it is a certain demon that takes on a female persona or form. She preys on men supposedly ... at least according to extra biblical stories. She might be the "Terror that cometh by night" spoken of in Psalm 91.
     
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    Men twisting the word to their own desires.

    Isaiah 34:14 KJV

    14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

    Screech owl instead of Lilith here in kjv. So lets go to Strong's.
    Strong's Hebrew: 3917. לִילִית (liyliyth) -- owl
     
  10. The Reverend Bob

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    Depends on the context
     
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    I note you use paraphrases primarily, and some obscure translations.

    It is somewhat instructive that you ignored the primary translations in use, where the term is properly identified as an owl, or night creature.

    I suggest you give up paraphrases, and use the NEB, NKJV, RSV, NASV,
     
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    He could have used an interlinear translation or Strong's Concordance and discovered how the Hebrew word is used in various context but I don't think he was interested in doing any actual studying of the text
     
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    She was a bit too sexy and free thinking so got edited out of the Bible.
     
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    Well, Strong's also recognizes other translations such as "night monster" and "the night."

    Isaiah 34:14
    HEB: שָׁם֙ הִרְגִּ֣יעָה לִּילִ֔ית וּמָצְאָ֥ה לָ֖הּ
    NAS: Yes, the night monster will settle
    KJV: to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest
    INT: there will settle the night and will find A resting​

    And other Bibles use
    night birds
    creatures of the night
    lamia
    Night animals
    night-monsters
    nocturnal animals
    night creature
    night creatures
    night-demon
    lilit
    night hag
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  15. The Reverend Bob

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    And it's used in conjunction with?
     
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    REB (the new NEB)
    14Marmots will live alongside jackals,and he-goats will congregate there.There too the nightjar will return to restand find herself a place for repose;

    NKJV
    The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the jackals, And the wild goat shall bleat to its companion; Also the night creature shall rest there, And find for herself a place of rest.

    RSV
    And wild beasts shall meet with hyenas, the satyr shall cry to his fellow; yea, there shall the night hag alight, and find for herself a resting place.

    NASB (I assume this what you meant when you wrote NASV)
    The desert creatures will meet with the wolves, The hairy goat also will cry to its kind; Yes, the night monster will settle there And will find herself a resting place.

    So, just how do nightjar, night creature, night hag, and night monster make things clearer? And how are they less "paraphrases" than those I provided?

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    No, no. What do the other words in conjunction with the the word lilitu describe within that verse?
     
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    Hi,
    Some translations call it the "nightjar". A craeture appearing in the description of Edom's utter desolation and of the things inhabiting its ruins.
    The Hebrew word has been translates as "screech owl" KJ vs "night monster (AS) "nightjar" )NE,WE) and "night hag"(RS). While the Jerusalem Bible prefers simply to transliterate the name as "Lilith".

    Some scholars believe that the term is a loanword from ancient Sumeria and that it derives from a root word denoting " every kind of twisting motion or object.

    An Egyptian nightjar (Caprimulgus aegyptius) lives in the desert.
     
  20. Skwim

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    Depends on which version you use, most of which are listed in the OP.

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