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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Gerry, May 15, 2019.

  1. wellwisher

    wellwisher Active Member

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    The best science concept, that answers your question, is time. In the beginning, means the same as when the clock starts to tick or the stop watch is activated. Time plays a unifying role in our inertial universe, that is composed of matter. When time begins, so does the universe. Science starts time at the big bang. This is called t=0.

    God is eternal, therefore the concept of time does fully define the nature of God. In the beginning, God created time, which was different from the eternal nature of God. Once time appears, there is a new subset of the eternal, with this subset having a beginning and an end, with Genesis discussing the beginning.

    In Revelations 21, the old or current universe will disappear, and a new universe will be created. The old clock strikes twelve, and the potential within universal time expires. The clock is then wound again, for a new universe. The ancients had a concept analogous to time potential.

    In Einstein's theory of Special Relativity, the speed of light is the dividing line between eternal time and finite time. Matter cannot move at the speed of light. It would take infinite energy. The speed of light is a line in the sand, between eternal and temporal time; inertial universe. Let there be light; speed of light, created the line in the sand from which time will appear.

    In Revelations 21, God is the alpha and omega; first and last. This seems to indicate that in the new universe, God steps out of eternity, to become part of the new subset of time. He dwells among his creation as a part of time.
     
  2. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    my copy reads.....dominate all things....

    that would be Man's ability to outwit his surroundings

    Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One
     
  3. David T

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    Well since the foreground of the story seems invisible to you one has to ask why the facination with the background state of the story? What draws you to that exactly? Your reading comprehension level seems low.
     
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    Light/timespace/finite time from a beginning point, for human reference
     
  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Whatever you want him to have created.
     
  6. Sky Rivers

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    If the planet originated from a sphere or plane of or covered entirely by water, perhaps. However, the planetary evolution myth declares the world was formed molten and the Bible doesn’t.
     
  7. Jos

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    How do you think the planet was formed? And how do you know that cosmological evolution is a myth?
     
  8. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    My guess: everything-- but long before even the Big Bang since I think it's likely that we are a part of a multiverse, not just a universe, that may well go back into infinity, which is slightly older than I am.
     
  9. Sky Rivers

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    Does it matter to you how I think the world was formed? I’d just be giving you my opinion, not necessarily facts., right?

    As for your second question... I don’t.
     
  10. Gerry

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    Sadly, it appears that most people have misplaced their endowment.
     
  11. Gerry

    Gerry Well-Known Member

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    I enjoyed all the thoughtful responses so far.
    Many varied and interesting ideas.

    My thinking processes have been shaped from so many different influences over the years, that I now see that 10 word verse as something much more personal and intimate. A statement of a beginning, and a creation, within me. Of a new creation. A beginning of something dramatic that is explained further in detail as the story unfolds.
     
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  12. Deeje

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    Indeed.....we are now mentally, morally, physically and spiritually, flawed because of sin. (Romans 5:12) It has corrupted us to our very core.

    But our original design was absolute perfection....a fitting endowment, but ruined by disobedience. :(
     
  13. Native

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    When dealing with creation myths, it´s very important to know of the creation myth symbolism in order to find the correct interpretation.

    The mythical term of the "Cosmic Ocean" or "Heavenly Waters" refers to the realms from which "firm matter" is created. This "firm matter" in the biblical myth is confused by many readers to mean "the Earth", which is wrong.

    Most ancient stories of creation in fact confirms the basical telling in modern science and in some cases the ancient stoieys are better and more logic because of the ancient cyclical world view.

    Some links to read here:
    Cosmic ocean - Wikipedia
    Creation myth - Wikipedia
    List of creation myths - Wikipedia
     
  14. Deeje

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    You need more than one copy. Having a variety of translations enhances your understanding. And you need a reliable concordance. "Dominion" is not "domination". Dominion is stewardship.

    "Outwit his surroundings"? If God provided all that humans needed and more, then why the need to outwit anything?
    They were given the best possible start, but they threw that life away, thinking that they could manage their own affairs independently. What a huge mistake!

    Genesis ch1 is the story and order of creation. Chapter 2 is the history, which provides details that the first chapter leaves out. They are cohesive and complementary IMO.
     
  15. Jos

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    Fair enough.
    Given that you wrote "planetary evolution myth" I guess I must have gotten the wrong idea.
     
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    Maybe a more than 2500 years old teaching may be of help to get things good sorted:

    “There are some contemplatives & brahmans who are partially eternalists and partially non-eternalists, who proclaim a partially eternal and partially non-eternal self & cosmos on four grounds.[7] And with reference to what, coming from what, are these honorable contemplatives & brahmans partially eternalists and partially non-eternalists who proclaim a partially eternal and partially non-eternal self & cosmos on four grounds?


     
  17. Gerry

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    Makes sense to me.
     
  18. Deeje

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    When you step back and look at the big picture, it all makes perfect sense....but when you take bits and pieces and try to fit them into a preconceived idea, nothing adds up. The big picture is awesome! :)
     
  19. Thief

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    have several.....
    do·min·ion
    [dəˈminyən]
    NOUN​


    1. sovereignty or control.
      "man's attempt to establish dominion over nature"
      synonyms:
      supremacy · ascendancy · dominance · domination · superiority ·
      [more]
     
  20. Thief

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    nay

    Day Six......Man as a species
    male and female
    no names
    no garden
    no law
    freedom.....go forth be fruitful.....dominate all things

    Adam is a CHOSEN son of God
    see new testament
     
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