In Praise of Illegal Immigrants

[metis]

Before or after the expense incurred by illegal aliens?

I'm for immigration laws and the effort to keep illegals out.

Our laws allow for considering accepting one seeking refugee status, so no one is "illegal" until a court says they're "illegal".

Now, maybe go and worship your money because it appears helping people who may be suffering is not high on your list of priorities.

 

[fantome profane]

A neutral & objective analysis would be a breath of fresh air.

The problem is that “objective” and “neutral” are not the same thing. If an objective analysis of the known facts leads you to the conclusion that a neutral position is the correct one, that is fine. But if an objective analysis shows you that one side is correct and the other is wrong you are morally obligated to abandon neutrality and take that side.

There is no inherent virtue in neutrality.

 

[Revoltingest]

I rated this post funny. I meant that in a way so sarcastic that even the "Ew, that's so gay" rating wasn't sufficient.
But it did make me smile, so there's that.
Tom

I rated yours as <friendly>, despite the risk that you'll infer a randy advance.

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem is that “objective” and “neutral” are not the same thing. .

That is why I used the word, "and", betwixt them.
Tis because I want both of these different things.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There actually are immigration laws. I sure have
had to deal with them re my presence in the USA.

If the Democrats are soooo sincere about their
wish to open wide the borders, let them introduce
legislation to make it all LEGAL.

Any guesses as to why they are not introducing such
bills?

A reason why Trump is putting his foot down and saying enough is enough, illegal aliens crossing the border are in fact a real and serious enough of a problem and once and for all get something done.

But oh... The Flippocrats in Washington keep insisting illegals are actually lovable puppy dog migrants that are completely harmless to the economy and to the health and safety of Americans who are legally here.

You can't rely on the likes of Chucky Schmoozer and Nanny Poo poo to actually come up with sensible and practical plans of action without any self serving pork or bacon to go with it. It doesn't bode well for their socialist agenda.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Our laws allow for considering accepting one seeking refugee status, so no one is "illegal" until a court says they're "illegal".

Now, maybe go and worship your money because it appears helping people who may be suffering is not high on your list of priorities.

If they don't have a green card and/or a valid Visa they are illegal. Plain and simple.

I also don't ignore that the world runs on a monetary system of which has real-world repercussions so money is a valid consideration when it comes to prosperity and Welfare of those who are living legally here.

 

[fantome profane]

That is why I used the word, "and", betwixt them.
Tis because I want both of these different things.

And sometimes you can’t have them. Sometimes neutrality is the most evil possible position.

 

[Audie]

A reason why Trump is putting his foot down and saying enough is enough, illegal aliens crossing the border are in fact a real and serious enough of a problem and once and for all get something done.

But oh... The Flippocrats in Washington keep insisting illegals are actually lovable puppy dog migrants that are completely harmless to the economy and to the health and safety of Americans who are legally here.

You can't rely on the likes of Chucky Schmoozer and Nanny Poo poo to actually come up with sensible and practical plans of action without any self serving pork or bacon to go with it. It doesn't bode well for their socialist agenda.

I can get along without name calling unless I do it,
but really, the thing to do-if it is achievable-is to have
laws, as sensible and workable as possible.

And, then, agree on enforcement. No wink and nod,
no "sanctuary" cities,, no politicizing of law enforcement.

Pass laws, enforce them, change them, but dont
ignore them.

 

[sun rise]

@Nous thanks for a very informative post. Of course the usual right-wing disorder syndrome types say the usual things.

As I wrote before, the so-called crisis has been ignored for two years outside of some bleating until we got a Democratic House. Now it's a world-class crisis. Politics and Trump trying to dominance hump Pelosi.

Again, trump was offered a deal and refused it. Now the left is being blamed for his own action. Classic right-wing disorder syndrome or maybe I should shorted that to RWDS the way others have with the opposite intent.

Trump tried a typical tactic for him, walking out. It worked for him before. But now Pelosi and Schumer have pwned him.

Senate Republicans are trying to come up with a grand deal that Trump refused to go for before. And that includes giving people who committed NO crime (DACA) a break. The RWDS types are already ranting about how that can't be.

 

[Audie]

Our laws allow for considering accepting one seeking refugee status, so no one is "illegal" until a court says they're "illegal".

Now, maybe go and worship your money because it appears helping people who may be suffering is not high on your list of priorities.

So are you claiming that there are no illegal aliens?

Once caught in say, Ohio, anyone can say "Asylum!!"
and be legal?

Your last line there about worship and suffering is just
invidious cant, unworthy of the lowest political hack.

 

[Revoltingest]

And sometimes you can’t have them.

A guy can dream.

 

[Woberts]

It doesn't bode well for their socialist agenda.

Theirs is most certainly not a socialist agenda.

 

[Revoltingest]

Theirs is most certainly not a socialist agenda.

To me it appears that it doesn't bode well for the accusation that
Democrats have a socialist agenda (because they're serving
Columbus's "investing class" by enabling importation of illegal labor).
Of course, my inference could be wrong.

 

[Woberts]

To me it appears that it doesn't bode well for the accusation that
Democrats have a socialist agenda (because they're serving
Columbus's "investing class" by enabling importation of illegal labor).
Of course, my inference could be wrong.

If they were secretly socialist, this could be seen as swelling the ranks of the proletariat (lower class).
I can't imagine Schumer storming a factory and liberating wage slaves though, so probably not.

 

[Revoltingest]

If they were secretly socialist, this could be seen as swelling the ranks of the proletariat (lower class).
I can't imagine Schumer storming a factory and liberating wage slaves though, so probably not.

I think it's more about the perception or criticism of than the actual being.

 

[metis]

If they don't have a green card and/or a valid Visa they are illegal. Plain and simple.

That is not true as American law makes a possible exception when dealing with refugees, which also reflects international law.

I also don't ignore that the world runs on a monetary system of which has real-world repercussions so money is a valid consideration when it comes to prosperity and Welfare of those who are living legally here.

Fortunately, the world also relies on having basic compassion for others in need, which is sorely lacking in some people, including Trump. Even a Trump defender like Rick Santorum admits that Trump lack an "empathy gene", as he calls it.

BTW, have you ever actually studied dharma because there's a sharp disconnect with what you claim you are versus what dharma actually teaches, namely to have compassion for all sentient beings?

 

[metis]

So are you claiming that there are no illegal aliens?

Did I not mention "courts"?

Your last line there about worship and suffering is just
invidious cant, unworthy of the lowest political hack.

Thanks for your opinion, but if it looks like it's a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a duck.

People tend to have priorities, and these priorities tend to differ from person to person. I tend to think that having compassion towards others should be a high priority within any society, especially within Buddhism since it's a basic teaching within dharma [see my last post]. If I say I'm a Christian but support terrorism, wouldn't you question my commitment to what I say I am?

Anyhow, have a nice day.
.

 

[BSM1]

Did I not mention "courts"?

Thanks for your opinion, but if it looks like it's a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it's a duck.

People tend to have priorities, and these priorities tend to differ from person to person. I tend to think that having compassion towards others should be a high priority within any society, especially within Buddhism since it's a basic teaching within dharma [see my last post]. If I say I'm a Christian but support terrorism, wouldn't you question my commitment to what I say I am?

Anyhow, have a nice day.
.

"Compassion" does not translate into "doormat", "victim", and/or "fool".

 

[metis]

"Compassion" does not translate into "doormat", "victim", and/or "fool".

And I have never suggested doing either of them-- very much the opposite.

 

[Nakosis]

A reason why Trump is putting his foot down and saying enough is enough, illegal aliens crossing the border are in fact a real and serious enough of a problem and once and for all get something done.

But oh... The Flippocrats in Washington keep insisting illegals are actually lovable puppy dog migrants that are completely harmless to the economy and to the health and safety of Americans who are legally here.

You can't rely on the likes of Chucky Schmoozer and Nanny Poo poo to actually come up with sensible and practical plans of action without any self serving pork or bacon to go with it. It doesn't bode well for their socialist agenda.

I suspect even Democrats have figured out that socialism doesn't work. At least not without capitalism to support it.