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In pornography a "moral dilema"?

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
1. Pornography is demeaning to women.

Is it also demeaning to men since men are also often portrayed? What of other things, like modelling clothes or makeup? Or any other activity that any woman might be capable of doing? Personally I cannot see this as being valid since any activity could be seen as demeaning, for example being a house wife is considered demeaning both on the individual level and to the entire female gender by some of the women in my family, that does not mean that it is immoral.


2. Pornography is negatively influencing men to treat women more aggressively, or in other negative ways.

If true, this would suggest that pornography would be a useful treatment for men who act too passively towards women... I have not heard of it being used in this manner, so I would doubt its efficacy.

It's dehumanizing not just to women but to all. It is a process of dehumanization.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
.... May I clarify what do you mean by dehumanising in this context?

Because I just cannot see how this would come about unless the claim was being made or implied that all women/people exist (like a tool) for the purpose of being used for the sexual gratification of others.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Sex is dehumanizing? Many people enjoy it and many enjoy being filmed/watched. You can't group pornography into one statement, it just isn't that black and white.

No sex is how we create bonds with other humans and create other humans. Do I have to give you that talk about the birds and bees?

Pornography is us dehumanizing sex.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
No sex is how we create bonds with other humans and create other humans. Do I have to give you that talk about the birds and bees?

Pornography is us dehumanizing sex.

My opinion is that you have a very narrow view of what sex means to people other than yourself.

Based on your view, sex iss dehumanizing and not pornography itself.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Some people say that porn leads to violence against women and children. But the facts do not consistently support that notion.

Over the past two or three decades, pornography has become more widely available in many countries do to the internet. At the same time, in many countries -- including the US -- there has been a downward trend in crimes of violence against women and children.

Some people believe the avaiablity of porn gives people who would otherwise become sex offenders an outlet.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Some people say that porn leads to violence against women and children. But the facts do not consistently support that notion.

Over the past two or three decades, pornography has become more widely available in many countries do to the internet. At the same time, in many countries -- including the US -- there has been a downward trend in crimes of violence against women and children.

Some people believe the avaiablity of porn gives people who would otherwise become sex offenders an outlet.

I don't give an "anus rodentum" if it supposedly leads to violence in some study. It is dehumanizing period.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
No I did not say that. Now quit being a liar and tell me what I said.

You said that sex is about bonding and pro-creation. Since a lot (like a good portion of the population) do not see it this way, in your view THEY are dehumanizing sex, because they make these decisions? I'm just trying to adopt a scenario to your view. If you disagree feel free to clarify before accusing me of lying when i'm simply trying to make sense of what you've said.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
I note that you suggested that prostitution is immoral as it is a degradation of the women and their bodies for material gain, so for pornography I would ask are you selling the act (and sacrament by your terms) of sex itself or merely selling access to observe that act? What of those people who cannot engage in sex with a partner (for whatever reason), are they to be denied all access to 'the ultimate sacrament between humankind and God'?

And on a related note to the selling of pornography, what of things that are used in sex, such as incense, lotions or toys (or even a bed for that matter), should they also be subject to such restraints to avoid degradation of this sacrament?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
In reference to the OP, it seems interesting that at least some science suggests pornography reduces acts of violence against women. I think more research is needed before drawing any conclusions, but if those initial studies are born out, then one might argue pornography is a moral good.
 
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