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In Logic, Who is Jesus?

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Saturday of the Twenty-sixth Week in Ordinary Time

”At that very moment he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said,
“I give you praise, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
for although you have hidden these things
from the wise and the learned
you have revealed them to the childlike.
Yes, Father, such has been your gracious will.
All things have been handed over to me by my Father.
No one knows who the Son is except the Father,
and who the Father is except the Son
and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him.”

Turning to the disciples in private he said,
“Blessed are the eyes that see what you see.
For I say to you,
many prophets and kings desired to see what you see,
but did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, but did not hear it.”

Peace to all,

We often ask and all want to fully understand, who is Jesus. How can the mind of God get to earth. What manifests life. We want to understand completely, how Becoming again is physical, divine and through the intelligence of creation. We are sometimes unable to see how the fulfilled faith and morality becoming united in being stops all strife and mental hate and anger and mental fear. We continue to try to see, because we want to understand the simple logic which has more power in understanding than any of all the finite disciplines of earth. The simple logic from what some call the Kingdom of The Divine Will of Creation or the becoming what would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality. Or, What can create mental compassion, joy and mental love eternally manifested in the becoming well for all.

We all know and believe we are not to judge, and in understanding from the old testament reading, from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is logically created choice in only to create the greatest gift, in logic, and through faith and is "Created Love". We logically are all created beings, with a spirit manifesting through the flesh for the soul of the being in the body. We know the difference and we know we are able to only judge ourselves. Adam did it, Eve did it, Jesus fulfilled it we all did it, selected the spirit and life for all regardless of ourselves, and The Christ eternally fulfilled love through His Passion, "Fulfilled Love." Love created, Adam and Eve, created spirit and life and authority, love fulfilled through The Holy Spirit and Jesus, eternal life and spirit and authority, as the Christ, becoming again for all mankind united in The One God of the Faith of Abraham and both of his sons, Ismahel and Isaac, eternal life to all of the descendents. According to the Quran, the Prophet Muhammad said that Mary was the greatest woman of all time, chosen above all other women. The Quran also describes Mary as one of the greatest women of all time. Christians see Mary as The First "Christ" as The Mind fo God in the flesh of a human delivered through The Immaculate Conception delivering from The Ark of The New Covenant through the Virgin Birth of the FirstBorn reopening Heaven for all by The Christ of all creation as The Christ in all mankind.

To me in logic, the common denominator for the Abrahamic faiths is the spirit, some see the spirit as a power or force, yet others see the spirit as a Person in being.

The united logic to me is we have three faiths of Abraham, Islam, Jews and Christians, and yet One God, yet three separate faiths, And we have rights to believe what we want and rights can take priority and what is the outcome, manifested from the choices by the selected, separate, different, ununited religious and political leaders. To me we have heard not to mix religion and politics, and logically, what does this mean? We know we are not to judge others, through choice, we judge ourselves through the Power from the "spirit being" through the Autonomy of righteousness and justification in God for all. Political leaders in logic are taking sides of religious leaders and either or both as political or religious may not understand the logic of world order on earth as in is in eternity, in logic. And we certainly know we are not to judge others, only ourselves. We want to create on earth, joy and compassion, peace in logic. The manifestation of what becomes, through choice is what Will will create mental compassion, joy and mental love eternally manifested in the becoming well.

Fiat is Latin for Let it become your will, in logic, the control is in the hands of the one in power and the power is manifested through the Will of unfailing creation in the one unfailing intelligence, that becomes again.

Peace always,
Stephen
 
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

To me and through logic and faith, The Christ is the Person of Jesus, conceived in the Power of the Holy Spirit Person becoming the First Christ reborn back to heaven for all mankind. And in logic and through faith we can derive the Christ is all mankind becoming as Jesus in the Mind of Creation and the Will of The Father as The Holy Spirit Person on being conceived in person of Jesus and is The Christ in all mankind's souls, the New Body in the New Spirit, incorruptible and the New Flesh, immortal.

Mary said, "Let it become to me not my will but your will," in 0AD (Anno Domini) Latin for the beginning of Church Time and the Year the Mind of Creation came to earth, when the logical first Christ became Mary, and logically The Pentecost of The Immaculate Conception in 0AD Jan 1, becoming in the mind of infallible and unfailing God, the incorruptible Holy Spirit Person in the Immortal flesh, sanctified as The Immaculate Conception delivering in the Virgin Birth, the "Firstborn of all creation," as The Christ, born in a food trough.

To me The Logic of The Pentecost of The Immaculate Conception and Mary as The First Christ on earth is and and logically follows The feast day on January 1 which is the Solemnity of Mary, the Mother of God, which honors Mary's role as the mother of Jesus Christ. It is a holy day of obligation for Catholics, meaning that Mass attendance is required.

Peace always,
Stephen
 
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

"Perhaps only the mother knows, or perhaps even she does not know. Depends, what do fathers know?" Aupmanyav 10/2024
So true, in Logic, Aupmanyav, brilliant.

Through faith we are all reborn, becoming transformed immortal and incorruptible, “Both” The Son or Daughter from The Mother and Father in The Christ to become again, glorified and transfigured. Mary becomes the First Christ as the Mind of God in the flesh of a human as the Immaculate Conception, delivering again by The Person of Jesus from the Person of The Holy Spirit from Mary becoming The Christ for all mankind into the image of Creation for the Father.

The word “begat” comes from the infinitive “to beget,” which means “to birth" or “to be born.” Since you raise the question, let's deal with the controversy over John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only BEGOTTEN son.” (Emphasis mine).

The relationship between the Father and the Son: The Father eternally begets the Son, so there was never a time when the Father was without the Son.

And we watch over her, support her, embrace her, raise her up, console her. And if we do not know how to do these things and feel like we have been set up to fail, recognize that, by presenting to us her broken heart, she is teaching us to help mend it. By consoling the consoler we are transformed into her, our hearts becoming her own Immaculate Heart.

(Proverbs 1:22-24)

And all of Proverbs 8 is feminine:

Does not Wisdom call out?
Does not Understanding raise
Her voice?
She takes Her stand She cries aloud
“I have insight, I have power….
“The Lord brought me forth as the first of His works,
before His deeds of old;
I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
before He made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
I was there when He set the heavens in place…”

This Wisdom personified is a reflection of the creation story in Genesis. There the ruach (feminine for wind/breath/Spirit, “she”) “was hovering over the waters” (Genesis 1:1,2). A poem by Gerard Manley Hopkins expressed this motherly vision of a female spirit helping birth creation.


“Because the Holy Ghost over the bent World broods
with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.”
[4]

As the Spirit (
ruach) in Hebrew or Aramaic is feminine, so the Hebrew and the Greek Hagia Sophia, God’s Holy Wisdom, is also feminine. Here is the equation they used:
Holy Ghost/Spirit/Wind/Breath = Holy Wisdom = Holy Heavenly Mother, a feminine image.



“Flesh gives birth to flesh,
but the Spirit [
ruach/She] gives birth to spirit.
You should not be surprised at my saying,
You must be born again.
“The wind [
ruach/Spirit] blows wherever She pleases,
so it is with everyone born of Her, the Spirit.”


(see John 3:3-8)

But what pronouns would Jesus have used in Aramaic? In Aramaic “Comforter/Helper” is a feminine root word nacham, Comfort or Helper with a sighing, pitying, groaning, or panting as a woman and her helper/comforter/coach/doula might do to diminish labor pains. The Aramaic nacham would be like king Comfort Menachem[5] or prophet Helper/Comforter Nahum[6] for comforting males. Nechamah would be a comforting female.[7]

In Aramaic, then, Jesus’ introducing as the Comforter/Helper, “which is the Holy Spirit,” correctly gendered, the pronouns would be like this:

“And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you
another Helper/Comforter
[nacham]
that She may abide with you forever,
Even the Spirit
[ruach] of Truth;
whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth
Her not, neither knoweth Her:
but ye know
Her; for She dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.”

(John 14:16-18)

“But the Comforter [feminine],
the Holy Spirit
[feminine],
whom the Father will send in My name,
She will teach you all things,
and bring to your remembrance
all things that I said to you.”

(John 15:26)

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me,
the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain,
nor in Jerusalem, worship the
Father [masculine]
the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers
will worship
the Father in spirit [ruach, feminine] and truth;
for
the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
God is
Spirit [ruach, feminine], and those who worship
must worship
[both Him/the Father and Her/the Spirit]]
in spirit and truth.” (John 4:21-24)

Trinity​

W hen we baptize, we do so in the name of a Trinity: The Holy Father, the Holy Son, and the Holy Spirit. Is the Greek gender correct when it assigns two male and one neuter gender to these words? Is the English KJV correct when it uses “He” for all three? Or can we follow the Hebrew/Aramaic/Syriac Bibles that suggest that the Trinity is metaphorically a Holy Father, a Holy Son, and a Holy Motherly Spirit with the Trinity

If the consequence of that question is: “So God created humanity in His own image; in the image of God He created them; male and female He created them,” then a Trinitarian imagery might be better served if we accepted that we can be baptized in the names of a Heavenly Father, a Heavenly Son, and a Motherly Holy Spirit.

God has neither a beard nor feathers nor breasts, but all can be metaphors helping us relate to God.

As a mother and her breasts provide all the comfort, nourishment, and gentle care an infant needs, so the Holy Spirit comforts and nourishes us in a sweet and gentle Motherly way not necessarily best symbolized by maleness.

As a Mother​

The Holy Comforter Jesus promised may indeed be visualized and symbolized as a woman and mother (Isaiah 66:13):

"No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him".
To me in logic, all mankind become transformed Son's of God, all minkind is glorified and transfigured into the intelligiece of creation becoming again the image of the Creator God, for The Father, from the Power of the Holy Spirit delivered from and through The Mother.

“As a Mother comforts [nacham] her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted
over Jerusalem.”


Peace always,
Stephen
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PureX

Veteran Member
It’s easy to get lost in poetry and metaphor. And sometimes useful, and sometimes not.

Christ is a way of being In the world. Jesus is the representation of that way of being in the word. The way of love, forgiveness, kindness and generosity. Of spiritual courage over material fear.

But will we choose it?
 

Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

"Jesus is the representation of that Way of being in the Word." PureX

For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. Romans 11:36

To me in logic, the word is present before creation was ever created was even created. And the Word is the intelligence of Creation as infallible certainty that creation will never fail in faith and logic. Choice becomes from the manifestation of the spirit through the flesh for the soul of the being. And from logic and faith, the Word becomes flesh through the Mind of God for the Flesh of a human becoming re-born Sanctified transformed immortal and incorruptible in the Christ shared in all mankind. And through logic and faith, all mankind is re-Sanctified and Confirmed in the Will of Creation, saved becoming again glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God for the Father.

Jesus is One Way for all mankind created, re-born transformed and born again and saved glorified and transfigure.

Thursday of the Twenty-seventh Week in Ordinary Time
“And I tell you, ask and you will receive;
seek and you will find;
knock and the door will be opened to you.
For everyone who asks, receives;
and the one who seeks, finds;
and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
What father among you would hand his son a snake
when he asks for a fish?
Or hand him a scorpion when he asks for an egg?
If you then, who are wicked,
know how to give good gifts to your children,
how much more will the Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit
to those who ask him?”

"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." John 14:18

"It is better for you that I go away" in John 16:7.
And they are puzzled by His announcement that He is going away and coming back, but in logic and through faith, if He doesn't go, the Advocate will not come.

To me in logic and through faith, giving up "The Ghost" is when on the cross He said, "It is Finished," and left behind is the will of creation, the being in the Person of the Holy Spirit, the Advocate shared manifesting through all in the immortal and incorruptible souls in the becoming of the Will of Creation, The Word, as the Person of The Holy Spirit shared in union with all mankind together with the Father and The Son becoming again glorified and transfigured becoming in one God the image of the Creator God for God The Father.

“I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

Peace always,
Stephen
 
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

Today's Reading Luke 11:42-46
Then one of the scholars of the law said to him in reply,
“Teacher, by saying this you are insulting us too.”
And he said, “Woe also to you scholars of the law!
You impose on people burdens hard to carry,
but you yourselves do not lift one finger to touch them.”

“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), Jesus truly is claiming equality with God. Three beings in the Person's of God separate and equal in Power and one in Being as God.

To me in logic and through faith, all mankind is created mortal and corrupt, and through Jesus becoming The Christ conceived begotten from the Mind of God through a Human Body for The Father. The infallible intelligence of Creation is the Word becomes Flesh becoming again in all mankind as "What would Jesus do in all cases of fulfilled faith and morality. Conceived by the Person of the Holy Spirit for the Person of Jesus becoming the Christ, the immortal and incorruptible flesh and spirit in the souls of the beings in all transformed mankind through the Immaculate Conception in the Virgin Birth of The Christ, The Word Becomes flesh, in the Virgin Birth, no blood and water birth required because the souls of the Holy Spirit Person and God and Jesus and God pre-existed before creation was ever created was even created. And we become again reborn and saved, glorified and transfigured from the blood and water at the cross, the real and logical and faithful blood and water birth of the Christ from Earth to Heaven, the "Firstborn" of All creation is the rebirth and salvation for all mankind becoming one in being together with the Father and The Son into the image of The Creator God for the Person of Father God, glorified and transfigured in the second coming through the Christ as adopted brothers and sisters when He said, "Ecce Mater tua".

Peace always,
Stephen
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Andrew Stephen

Stephen Andrew
Premium Member
Peace to all,

Pope, at general audience, reflects on the Holy Spirit in the Church’s faith.​


At his October 16 general audience, Pope Francis reflected on the Holy Spirit in the faith of the Church, in the ninth talk in a series devoted to the theme of “The Spirit and the Bride: The Holy Spirit guides the people of God towards Jesus our hope.”

Within the life of the Blessed Trinity the Holy Spirit is “con-substantial,” equal in divinity with the Father and the Son. As “giver of life,” he gives us a share in Christ’s own life and victory over sin and death. He thus gives us hope amid the suffering and injustices of our world.

To me in the Logic of the Word, which is the Eternal Power of Authority and Spirit and Life that becomes through the Persons of the Trinity and all God, all equal and separate in Power and united as One God in Being. The Word is present before creation was ever created was even created and the Word was with God, Jesus, the Deliverer of the Word becoming the immortal and incorruptible Flesh and Spirit in the Christ for all mankind for The Word Is God, becoming again the image of the Creator God for The Father God.

“Today we continue our catechesis on the Holy Spirit, who is present and at work in the life of the Church,” Pope Francis said, according to the Vatican’s summary of his remarks. “As we proclaim in the Creed, the Holy Spirit is ‘the Lord, the giver of life.’”

To me in logic, The Spirit is the common denominator of the Faith Based Religions. Some see the spirit as a force of energy but Christianity sees the Spirit as a Person in Being.

“Today we continue our catechesis on the Holy Spirit, who is present and at work in the life of the Church,” Pope Francis said, according to the Vatican’s summary of his remarks. “As we proclaim in the Creed, the Holy Spirit is ‘the Lord, the giver of life.’”

Within the life of the Blessed Trinity the Holy Spirit is “consubstantial,” equal in divinity with the Father and the Son. As “giver of life,” he gives us a share in Christ’s own life and victory over sin and death. He thus gives us hope amid the suffering and injustices of our world.

What all of the leaders of the Church understand and all of the Leaders of The World understand is in the Faith of the Creator and One God, the "Giver of Life". Peace on earth is what unites all mankind as One in Being, together with the Father and The Son. The Power of The Faith is to allow and understand the logic of rebirth, from mortal and corrupt, becoming transformed immortal and incorruptible and through salvation becoming again, glorified and transfigured into the image of the Creator God and one in being for the Father, God. The Power of the Holy Spirit Person in Being is to share through faith and in the Logic of Creation in all mankind the intelligence of The Creator and God that never fails in fulfilled faith and morality of The Creator and One God.

We become united as one in being together with the Father and the Son from mortal and corrupt, becoming Transformed Sanctified immortal and incorruptible from the living waters of The Baptism of John and we become again, through Sacrifice and Penance, Confirmed and re-Sanctified in hearing the Words of Absolution, forgiven, absolved of Sin, in Penance and Sacrifice and in Communion with Him we Become again, Glorified and Transfigured into the image of the Creator God for The Father. What Disciples of Christ understand is in the Faith of The Christ as God and everything He taught on Earth and from Heaven. What Mystics of the Faith of today understand is the same and is the intelligence of creation that will never fail and that exists before creation was ever created was even created and is shared from the Power of the Holy Spirit Will of Creation becoming again one in being shared in all mankind.

In Logic, what is left behind is from the cross when He said, "It is finished," and what conceived The Person of Jesus is through the Immaculate Conception and Virgin Birth through The Power of The Person of the Word, The Holy Spirit in being. The Person of the Holy Spirit is what Jesus gives up as "The Ghost" from the cross and is the becoming of the intelligence of Creation manifesting through the flesh of the Christ in all mankind, logically and through the Faith of Abraham.

This is what Pope Francis is saying in Logic and through the Faith of Abraham, all in The One God, to become again in the Second Coming.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
 
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