In Christianity, is Satan Evil, or Does Satan Merely Do Evil?

[McBell]

For example:

huh?
What makes you think I think Christianity is wholly defined by the Bible?

Which was in direct reply to

you are assuming that Christianity is wholly defined by the Bible.

At any rate, this conversation has gone past the point it interests me.

I agree.
You are not making any sense.
So I will completely bow out of your thread.

 

[shmogie]

In Christianity, is Satan evil? Or does Satan merely do evil without himself actually being evil?

Please Note: If Satan is evil, rather than merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who has created Satan -- has created evil (and hence it cannot be said of God that everything he does is good).

On the other hand, if Satan is merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who presumably has the power to prevent Satan from doing evil -- condones evil when he does not prevent Satan from doing it (and hence, it cannot be said that God never condones evil).

HOWEVER, it at least seems possible to escape the 'dilemma' if one is prepared to argue for a Platonic notion of evil such that evil is not a thing-in-itself, but rather a lack of -- or absence of -- good.

YET, whatever we might or might not conclude, we MUST concede that Satan admires @SalixIncendium's fashion sense. Of that, we may be certain.
You are making assumptions that are not accurate.

Satan was not created as an evil being, through his own free will he became one.

God is not omniscient, so He did not create a being that He knew would become evil.

Evil has become a part of humanity.

It is and has been unreeling in society.

God has withdrawn from the world o allow evil to run it's full course, as an object lesson for the rest of the universe. That is why Christ called satan the prince of this world.

God has provided ultimate salvation for those to accept it.

When God decides it is time to end evil, it will end, and the prince of this world will be destroyed.

The object lesson will have been learned.

I personally have dealt with people who are truly evil, every breathe they took was evil. No conscience, no compassion, consumed with the desire to cause pain and suffering for others. They weren't ill, they were pure evil.




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[rational experiences]

In Christianity it was taught that Satan was a rebellion of the angels of God O the body of angels.

O God is defined by being an angel first, an eternal angel that fell into space.

We know as a spiritual teaching God never did any thing wrong...so never owned a teaching concept that said that our God the O body on which we live a planet was evil.

For God originally O as the fallen angel theme never did wrong.

It was a cause and effect, the actual teaching status of science.

Change...also a science teaching.

Meaning…...I wanted change...to express change so then went about causing change.

Ask human life the meaning of change.....the answer the eternal spirit caused it.

Ask a spiritual human what do you know about the eternal....most of us say we know nothing about it...….it is just an explanation.

Yet science does not accept that explanation being the only problem.

Problem he says...a human expressed reasoning, then he gives it a scientific theme.

Understand yourselves scientist why you became a scientist owned a spiritual reasoning first. You wanted to go back into the eternal.

And instead you converted life in the wrong direction, to become with God.

How you gave spirit its bone...by irradiation fall out.

The living spirit body, in the eternal were near physical owned spirit bodies as spirits....who can apply physical manipulation.

As a machine held fixed replication constant in science, the spirits you conjured....been poked by one of them. Could not see any spirit but felt a finger, felt it poking me and it hurt.

Ask a human why there are evil spirits.....because the body of mass that form was released from was owned by spirits.

You hold an artificial constant, in spirit that body was used for language expression...meaning when they communicated, a spirit would manifest out of the mass, and move into the body it was communicating to.

Science proved it could conjure a spirit from the burnt evil eternal mass why they know in occult science that it is real.

Satan the angel in the SUNS...O owned larger and different eternal sounds.

They started to cool and evolve into stone....then re blasted...like Earth did.

o smaller bodies became stone...so Suns ejected their stone, burnt hotter and became the evil spirit against God O the stone.

Relativity of ancient science symbolic meaning.

That meaning is not owned in any of your modern day science symbolism or reasoning.

It is just stories....for one purpose only...….a science statement.

Your science today is only based on resourcing, the ancient science never resourced.

 

[RedDragon94]

I almost wonder sometimes if God and Satan are just one and the same playing different roles.

 

[PureX]

Creating the possibility for evil is not creating evil even if one knew that evil would result. Not eliminating evil even though one could do so is not the same as creating evil, either. And finally, "evil" is a relative value judgment based on a myopic agenda. To eliminate "evil" relative to one myopic agenda is to "create evil" relative to another. So to use such a demand as an assessment criteria for "God" is conceptually incoherent.

 

[rational experiences]

The history of invention and origin of science states that it was a brotherhood.

And after the fact of change, which never existed for a male self human and a design, and a machine.

For change is first equated by science to be experiment. For you think you know, you claim I know but might not know...so when you press the button on your machine and activate machine you hope it will achieve what you theory.

Therefore if the reaction, human operating the machine never existed before in that state...then how would you know evil?

If a scientist said, I know evil and hence want to use evil for science in a machine reaction, then he would say his machine only applies acts of evil. And evil he says is burning.

So you would have to do an applied theory self assessment on who the first scientists were, and what their theme was...and why they would not have known evil.

And that would be easy....for the theme says flooded Earth right up to the mountain peak.

And we are consciousness through the identification of a higher percentile of water.

Proving you would not have known.

And water is not God and nor is it Satan....it is a word and given a status water.

And it was science that owned naming new conditions in human presence, just as it still does today. Gives new names to new ideas or new themes.

So if you give a word the value God....then you cannot give it another word and say it is Satan. The words state, not naming the same idea.

Now then you would have to ask, why then was a human called a Satan ist?

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The theme Satan is evil.
Satan formed the D evil was taught.
evil was the burning of the Earth Mother veil, was taught.
Mother in science was cold empty space that owned the forming of all formed bodies.

History of a gas, was once hotter then evolved into cold.
Science says the state of life is by evolution.

Gases sit in space.

Science therefore stated it formed evil, fall out. Impressions on the ground.

Reason, I thought science concepts only in my head.

Reality was changed by the cause, science.

Reason of what saved us from science caused evils...water and oxygen/microbes at the ground state.

D evil fell to ground, converted changed burning spirit veil by water/oxygen cooling.

Science stole the spirit of our life away from us....water/oxygen use in Nature.

How it was taught....Satan ism

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[Spice]

The Infinite One, aka God, created all, and all is very good. Man transforms good into evil by mishandling free will. Good and evil are defined by perspective -- love & faith OR ego & fear.
ie. Gently holding a dying man's mouth to a glass of water vs. waterboarding.
"Satan" is in each of us for the choosing; and not just in thought and action, but in viewpoint.

 

[rational experiences]

The Infinite One, aka God, created all, and all is very good. Man transforms good into evil by mishandling free will. Good and evil are defined by perspective -- love & faith OR ego & fear.
ie. Gently holding a dying man's mouth to a glass of water vs. waterboarding.
"Satan" is in each of us for the choosing; and not just in thought and action, but in viewpoint.

Satan, is the Hell body, the body of God O a mass of energy that rebelled against the angel protection against HELL.

Stone.

ONE body st...the AIN saint meaning, stone gases held in One body, owning the shut out of HELL.

The Sun attacked our God, burnt its gases. Natural evolution of stone gases once were already burning, but had evolved into cold non burning clear gases.

The Sun, the Satanic UFO alien/demon/devil attack to burn Earth gases caused fall out in attack...which had been stopped by massive flooded Earth water evaporation.

Males as a brotherhood re invented Earth attack, UFO evil spirit gain for science converting of the stone....you wanted it, think it is a Holy act for they wanted life removed, claiming to do so was a Holy Act of God by their say so. Still today own the exact same male science ancient reasoning...from self male group documented stories.

The origin of science as a STATE...nothing to do with modern day thinking......old themes.

We DO NOT in any male reasoning own Satan in our bodies.

The burning Earth gases are in the Heavens, we are without SIN, water and oxygenated protected by the Tree of Life...as always taught.

God, the original sin stone body of gas history owns the detail of Satan the Sun attacking its gases.

Males brought that attack to the ground where God history, natural history can no longer protect us.

We live as a near water mass body. Water history itself was formed in the highest state naturally, out of space conditions, then forced held on the ground by attack.

Was always without sin, A history of the SUN formation/reactive body in its space, nothing to do with Earth.

 

[ClimbingTheLadder]

I do not subscribe to the notion that there is a specific being named Satan (or Lucifer) in the Bible.
Both "names" are not used as names in the Bible.
They are used as titles.

This is the same case with the Qur'an as well.

The word is barely mentioned throughout the Tanakh, but appears more in the New Testament, none of the cases that it is mentioned in the New Testament imply to me of it being a name of a specific being.
I will always have trouble understanding the logic of the Christian position with this when it appears quite clear that their view is a pre-held belief taught through their churches rather than being derived from the texts themselves.

 

[Milton Platt]

In Christianity, is Satan evil? Or does Satan merely do evil without himself actually being evil?

Please Note: If Satan is evil, rather than merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who has created Satan -- has created evil (and hence it cannot be said of God that everything he does is good).

On the other hand, if Satan is merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who presumably has the power to prevent Satan from doing evil -- condones evil when he does not prevent Satan from doing it (and hence, it cannot be said that God never condones evil).

HOWEVER, it at least seems possible to escape the 'dilemma' if one is prepared to argue for a Platonic notion of evil such that evil is not a thing-in-itself, but rather a lack of -- or absence of -- good.

YET, whatever we might or might not conclude, we MUST concede that Satan admires @SalixIncendium's fashion sense. Of that, we may be certain.


Evil and good are both social constructs. Some things which are evil to one society are not evil to another.
As to whether a supposed Satan is evil or does evil seems to be just semantics. In either case, god is supposed to have created all things and knows all things from the beginning....therefore god is responsible for all things.


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[Spice]

This is the same case with the Qur'an as well.

The word is barely mentioned throughout the Tanakh, but appears more in the New Testament, none of the cases that it is mentioned in the New Testament imply to me of it being a name of a specific being.
I will always have trouble understanding the logic of the Christian position with this when it appears quite clear that their view is a pre-held belief taught through their churches rather than being derived from the texts themselves.

I agree. Even the 40 days Jesus spent being "tempted" by Satan was allegory for self-contemplation, the "looking within" that all his teachings are based on. That's the only way to overcome this world -- to face the evil within and put it in its proper perspective, for God's creation, all of it, is good!

 

[Messianic Israelite]

In Christianity, is Satan evil? Or does Satan merely do evil without himself actually being evil?

Please Note: If Satan is evil, rather than merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who has created Satan -- has created evil (and hence it cannot be said of God that everything he does is good).

On the other hand, if Satan is merely an entity that does evil, then God -- who presumably has the power to prevent Satan from doing evil -- condones evil when he does not prevent Satan from doing it (and hence, it cannot be said that God never condones evil).

HOWEVER, it at least seems possible to escape the 'dilemma' if one is prepared to argue for a Platonic notion of evil such that evil is not a thing-in-itself, but rather a lack of -- or absence of -- good.

YET, whatever we might or might not conclude, we MUST concede that Satan admires @SalixIncendium's fashion sense. Of that, we may be certain.





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Oh, Satan is evil all right. Yahweh created the angelic beings good, but some of them defected and turned against Yahweh. You see, Yahweh could create robots to serve Him. Those that will only do good, only do what they are programmed to do, but He gives freewill and the opportunity for those who do not wish to serve Him, to reject Him because Yahweh is merciful. In terms of Satan, he became arrogant and may have tried to push Yahweh to one side.

"17 Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I have cast thee to the ground; I have laid thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 By the multitude of thine iniquities, in the unrighteousness of thy traffic, thou hast profaned thy sanctuaries; therefore have I brought forth a fire from the midst of thee; it hath devoured thee, and I have turned thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the peoples shall be astonished at thee: thou art become a terror, and thou shalt nevermore have any being."

In this sense, Yahweh does create evil as it written in Isaiah 45:7 in the sense that he allows beings to become evil. He doesn't terminate them right away. He gives them a chance to repent.