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Improved Torah translations.

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Magus, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. Magus

    Magus Active Member

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    Genesis 14:3 + Genesis 14:10
    These verses are untranslatable in it's current understanding of the words

    Gen 14:3 ' Joined together in the Vale of Siddim
    Joined together in the cultivated vineyard '

    Genesis 14:10 And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits
    And in the cultivated Vineyards, they were wells and the wells were full of Wine.


    Siddim, that is 'שָׂדֶה' means cultivated field / threshing-floor and it's Greek translation is 'ἁλῶν (Alwn) and the Hebrew for 'Vale' , that is 'עֵמֶק' (Omq) related to the Greek 'ἀμπελών (Amp'elon) 'Vineyard' , Salt is the by product of wine fermentation, that is were the Salt comes into it.

    'vale of Siddim was full of slimepits'

    The Septuagint writes ' φρέατα' , the Hebrew text writes 'בְּאֵר' both are cognates meaning 'Artificial Well

    ἀσφάλτου ( 'Asphalt ' ) is used in the Septuagint, that is cognate with Hebrew 'אֶשְׁכֹּל ' (Eshkol ) means 'cluster of grapes ' back to Greek σταφυλή (Staphule) 'bunch of grapes' K and P interchange between Greek and Hebrew.

    STAPHUL > STAKHUL > ESHKOL * אֶשְׁכֹּל
    ASPHALT > ESHKOL * אֶשְׁכֹּל

    The Hebrew that is used is חֵמָר / Chemar / 'boil up ' (after wine fermentation)
    to the Greek ἡμερίς (Hmeris) 'the cultivated vine' , that is the meaning behind the name Γομορρα (Gomorrah)

    Reference - Deu 32:32
    For their vine of the vine of Sodom, and their vine-branch of Gomorrah : their grape is a grape of gall, their cluster is one of bitterness.
     
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    Genesis 19:24
    Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven

    And the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah a hoary frost and fire from the Lord out of heaven.

    The Hebrew language uses 'fire / burning' as antonyms to describe ' Snow/Melting Ice ', throughout the Bible, 'Fire' seems to accompany 'Snow', which only occurs around the Lebanon mountains, When it Rains in the spring the 'Rain' melt/burns the snow

    Psalms 78:47
    He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.

    Psalms 148:8
    Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

    Psalms 105:32
    He gave them hail for rain, and flaming fire in their land.

    Psalms 18:12
    At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
     
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    Songs 1:5 I am black
    At dawn, come oh daughters of Jerusalem to the tents of Cedar and to the curtains of Solomon, but don't gaze upon the sun that is dawning.

    Songs 1:6 ( New verse ) .
    My mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
     
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    Brimstone KJV reads...
     
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    Hear the word of the Lord, indeed goofy was a prophet walking in the likeness of Jesus.
    They were both carpenters.
     
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    The word Curtains, 'יְרִיעָה ( yerea ) in the Septuagint is δέρρις (Derris) meaning Skin , cloak or curtain , in Latin Drapus thus yerea ( D - Y interchange) ' Derea ' / Derris , therefore the Hebrew word is cognate with the English word 'Drapes' (type of Curtain)
     
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    Elirou conera mena sokrameno litre sorte labram.

    Open up the book so I can read with my God.
     
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    Elabra konero esta castis..

    You degrade my caste..
     
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    Rek·üv (רְכוּב) = Rekio (רָקִיעַ )

    Eze 1:25
    And there was a voice from the Chariot that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

    Eze 1:26
    And above the Chariot that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne

    Psalms 150:1
    Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in his Chariot of power
     
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    Psalms 6:5
    and in death, who will remember be, who will thank me when i am at rest

    זכר /Zeker = σώζω/Sozo ' to keep / remember

    שְׁאוֹל/shĕowl = γαληνιάω/Galhniaw ' to find peace, to be calm' ' a place of peace'

    שְׁאוֹל/shĕowl, is like a future tense form שָׁלוֹם/shalowm , Shalom is also sunset and the Ugarit god of Dusk, thus the place were the sun rests into the earth thus also the place of human-rest.

    Most likely related to the pie root *Kel, a concealed place, from which we
    derive the word * Hell , in Ancient times, always a place of rest and peace

    The entire Islam and Christian belief of Hell is the opposite and apocalyptic, they simply misinterpreted a simple concept for there own political gain.
     
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    You don't know what you're talking about. But thats okay, I love you anyway man. Hell in islam is not just hot, even though there's plenty of that, theres also sections where it will cause you to become mad. You ever see that movie what dreams may come ? When the mother or robin williams goes to hell to get his wife ? Its like that a few times worse, because it will be about your past life too.

    To even get to hell, you have to travel to hell. The rest is left blank on purpose so mankind can experience it first hand. God purposely withheld information so we experience first hand whats going to happen.

    Everyone leaves hell, not all humans will remain in hell. The first person to go to hell is pharaoh, he will lead everyone into it .

    Theres even a story of that last person in hell, and how he gets to heaven. Its an amazing story.
     
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    I know exactly what i am talking about , Hell in Hebrew
    is שְׁאוֹל , a place of Rest. 'Fire' always feminine in Semitic
    language 'אֵשׁ' for it symbolises the fiery gestation of the uterus
    and the word 'Uterus, is cognate with Hebrew עַשְׁתְּרוֹת and
    Greek ὑστέρα ( Ustera ) and Ishtar, from Sumerian *Ush tar
    meaning 'fire in a container'

    The sun rises from the East, as a baby emerging from the Uterus of the Earth , thus the word 'East ' itself, see *Aus- 'to shine' and אֵשׁ *Ash
     
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    Isaiah 14:12
    A mist shall come down from the heavens upon the dawning of the day and shall Howl 'Cut down they cedars and weaken the nations

    Joshua 6:15 / Tyre fell at dawn
    And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning (שַׁחַר shachar) of the day

    Isaiah 14:31
    Howl, O Tyre the whole coastal(πελασ) city (ἄστυ) as dissolved, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times

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    Joshua 6 ( Fall of Tyre - 332 BCE )
    1. City was shut, none went in or out
    3. Compass the city
    4. Seven trumpets ( battering rams) surround the City
    6. Ark of the Covenant with 7 priests with battering rams
    7. Compass the city
    9. Armed men blew (thrust of a weapon) the Ram horns (battering rams)
    11 . Ark compassed the city, going around it once

    ( Alexander's Second Attempt )
    12 - Joshua rose in the morning ( Second Attempt )
    13 - Trumpets (Battering rams) continued
    14 - 2nd day, compassing the city and returned
    16 - 7th day, compass the city
    20 - the 'ram horns' (battering rams) caused the walls to come down
    23 . Allowed Rahab's family to survive ( Alexander spared their lives.)
    24. City burnt and looted
    25 . Not to be rebuilt
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    'Blew ram horns' , the Hebrew word 'blew' (תָּקַע ) means 'to thrust' ( a weapon), so they were 'thrusting' ram horns ( Battering rams) into the Walls of the City,

    Ezekiel 4:2
    And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set battering rams against it round about.

    The name 'Jericho' is a play on 'Yareach' meaning moon, a synonym of 'לְבָנָה' (lĕbanah ) (Tyre) and prior to Josh 6, we are introduced to 'Rehab the Harlot' , a literally allusion of Helen of Troy and the name 'Rehab' ( RHB ) means Forum, breadth, street or entry of a gate and is also the suffix of 'Jericho' ( IRHU ) , the Hebrew word for city is 'Ir' (יְר) , thus 'Ir-Recho' ( Jericho ) or αργος ' white'

    Jericho = the city of palm trees ' πόλιν φοινίκων' (Phoenician City) ( Deu 34:3) * Tyre



     
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    Trojan Horse

    Gen 18:24 - There be fifty righteous in the Midst the city and destroy it
    - They were fifty righteous within the Trojan Horse and through shalt besiege the City

    Exodus 2:3 - She opened the Wooden-Box that was in the middle
    -- Moses was laid inside the Trojan Horse --
    Genesis 2:9 - The Wooden-Box was in the Middle
    -- She opened Pandora's Box

    Daughters of Danaus - Wikipedia

    50 sons of Aegyptus and 50 daughter of Danaeus and Genesis 46 , the total amount of children listed
    is 50 ( Leah + Zilpah ) divided into 8 groups and a daughter named Dinah, The most significant daughter of Danaeus is Hypermnestra , the word Hyper is cognate with עֵבֶר /`Eber (Hebrew) that produced Perseus ( Moses ), whom was the daughter of Danaë /דִּינָה ( Dinah)
     
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