Impeachment hearings: Was it worth it?

[Shad]

Of course it was. Same as the states are technically independent , but still part of the Federation.

No as the Federation formed during and as result of dissolution. The Russian Federation was never the USSR nor was Ukraine in the Federation.

You don't think Putin wants a reunification of the old USSR?

He wants to increase his power and that of Russia by any means he can using even BS. What he wants is still irrelevant as it is up to the citizens of nations that wish to join. Putin isn't offering membership. He is claiming Ukraine is an illegal nation-state.

 

[Salvador]

Bidens son are on a board in a Ukraine company, He is not a part of any governmental issues.
Where did you get the idea that Biden has anything to do with Government in Ukraine?

Gas subsidies in Ukraine foster fraud and corruption.

Around 7 percent of Ukraine’s GDP goes toward keeping the prices down.

Gas subsidies in Ukraine foster fraud, corruption

Subsidies Encourage Waste

 

[leov]

No it isn't. Russia is not the USSR and never was. It was the most powerful republic in the USSR.


This is irrelevant to the points I made. Yes there are territory disputes but not a dispute about sovereignty itself until Putin made his absurd claim

Technically you are correct, but in reality Russia was dominant republic, Russian language and culture was dominant, while local culture and language were supported but stayed in shadow.
Now Crimea, A few month ago I saw an article of Russian historian about reasons why Crimea became part of Ukrainian SSR just after the WWII and before it was not, ever. Reason is that Crimea was devastated during the war, infrastructure was in ruins, all resources (energy, water, food, e.t.c.) were coming through or from Ukrainian SSR, so in planned economy there was need in accounting and allocation of those resources, Ukraine was only source. So, Crimea became a part of Ukr.SSR officially, not if historically it ever was.

 

[sun rise]

Ukraine used to be part of the USSR so was originally Russian territory.

In fact, Ukraine was one of the founding members of the USSR.

Putin has done exactly what we would have done had one of the US states suddenly ceded from the Union and declared itself independent. Go after it to bring it back into the territory.

So when he invades Poland and Germany that's OK with you. And how about when Japan invades China because China was part of Japan earlier. Let's have another WWII.

DOWN with the dictator, murderer putin.

 

[sun rise]

USA created problem. Yes, Biden helped. Without USA there would be normal peaceful relations.

What lies. Utter propaganda. It's time to investigate posters on RF for being russian trolls.

 

[sun rise]

People of Ukraine faced Nazi type deadly putsch which was paid by neocons. People of Ukraine lost it and one corrupt system was replaced with another more brutal Nazi type.

Lies.

 

[sun rise]

"Patriotism"....there's one word which never sprang to mind when watching this show.

180 degrees wrong. Denigrating American heroes for standing up to American ideals will fail and be swept up in the dustbin of history. And the sooner the better.

 

[leov]

So when he invades Poland and Germany that's OK with you. And how about when Japan invades China because China was part of Japan earlier. Let's have another WWII.

DOWN with the dictator, murderer putin.

I am sure he qualifies. But any POTUS is heavy weight champ compering with Putin.

 

[leov]

What lies. Utter propaganda. It's time to investigate posters on RF for being russian trolls.

Funny, similar things I've heard about myself when lived in USSR and was American troll...

 

[Father Heathen]

Politics is a rotten business, it was 100% political and deepened divide of this nation, wait and see what it leads to.

So to "heal" the divide we should simply toss ethics and accountability out the window?

 

[leov]

So to "heal" the divide we should simply toss ethics and accountability out the window?

I guess square it with Cain...which ethics, by the way?

 

[Revoltingest]

180 degrees wrong. Denigrating American heroes for standing up to American ideals will fail and be swept up in the dustbin of history. And the sooner the better.

"Hero"....the most over-mis-used word in our day.
They fight over power.

So I'm really 360 degrees wrong, eh.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ukraine used to be part of the USSR so was originally Russian territory.

In fact, Ukraine was one of the founding members of the USSR.

Putin has done exactly what we would have done had one of the US states suddenly ceded from the Union and declared itself independent. Go after it to bring it back into the territory.

It belonged to the USSR, but broke free when it collapsed. Russia has no valid claim to it. Do you not support freedom, independence, and democracy for all or are you just another fake-*** "patriot"? It's kind of sad that you'd assume the position for dictators just to follow Trump's suit.

 

[Father Heathen]

I guess square it with Cain...which ethics, by the way?

Those that this nation was founded upon.

 

[leov]

Those that this nation was founded upon.

You mean George Washington owned slaves?

 

[Father Heathen]

You mean George Washington owned slaves?

Ah, so you can acknowledge that U.S. presidents aren't infallible exemplars and often fail to live up to the standards set by The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. Of course, we attempt to correct such failures and do better. At least we used to, but now Trump and his supporters seem hellbent on setting a new precedent where principles, ethics, and integrity are seen as obstacles rather than as objectives. Now take a look at history and what tends to become to nations that place party and power first.

 

[leov]

Ah, so you can acknowledge that U.S. presidents aren't infallible exemplars and often fail to live up to the standards set by The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. Of course, we attempt to correct such failures and do better. At least we used to, but now Trump and his supporters seem hellbent on setting a new precedent where principles, ethics, and integrity are seen as obstacles rather than as objectives. Now take a look at history and what tends to become to nations that place party and power first.

Lie and manipulation that is their MO from day one...four legs good two legs bad...

 

[Shad]

Technically you are correct, but in reality Russia was dominant republic, Russian language and culture was dominant, while local culture and language were supported but stayed in shadow.

Yes it was dominate. Dominance still does not make what Putin claims is true.

Poland had huge issues with Russian influence such as making Russian mandatory in school

Now Crimea, A few month ago I saw an article of Russian historian about reasons why Crimea became part of Ukrainian SSR just after the WWII and before it was not, ever.

Sure territorial disputes are going to happen. However this was done under the same system Putin attempts to use for his argument. He must abandon his basis or acknowledge that the Chimera was a legal part of the Ukraine SSR.

 

[Shad]

It belonged to the USSR, but broke free when it collapsed.

No it was a member of. Belong carries a far greater meaning. The USSR was dissolved by treaty anyways.

 

[Father Heathen]

No it was a member of. Belong carries a far greater meaning. The USSR was dissolved by treaty anyways.

Officially, but the satellite states had no real power of their own. If the USSR said "Jump", they'd ask "How high?"