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Immaterial Minds

Discussion in 'Atheism DIR' started by Ella S., Apr 4, 2022.

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  1. I am about 100% certain that immaterial minds exist/have existed

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  2. I am about 75% certain that immaterial minds exist/have existed

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  3. I am about 50% certain that (or suspend my judgment on whether) immaterial minds exist/have existed

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  4. I am about 75% certain that immaterial minds have never existed

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  5. I am about 100% certain that immaterial minds have never existed

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  6. The question is poorly defined or nonsensical

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  1. Ella S.

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    I have looked at a variety of definitions for what a deity is and a great deal of them seem to refer to an immaterial mind.

    Even definitions like an "absolute principle" frequently define this "absolute principle" as a "Supreme Being" that is independent from matter.

    Even definitions that call a deity an "anthropomorphic force of nature," the anthropomorphic properties it takes on are usually mental ones like awareness or anger and by "force" it means that it is not composed of matter

    So I'm interested in your thoughts on how likely it is that immaterial minds exist.
     
  2. Heyo

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    If they do, some of the most basic laws of nature must be wrong, e.g. First Law of Thermodynamics. There is not even a hint that that might be the case.
     
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    That is like asking how likely do "widgets" exist. If this mind is not material, what is it? And what makes it different than material?
     
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    A variety of immaterial substances have been postulated in religion.

    I would also say that we know of a variety of immaterial phenomenon already, such as the four fundamental forces and heat.
     
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    Just to expand of my opinion from above that immaterial minds don't exist, that is the answer to your question how you asked it.
    The answer to the question without context is that all minds are immaterial. The mind is a function of the brain.
    What doesn't exist is an immaterial brain or a mind that doesn't need a physical brain.
     
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    I agree. This is something I thought about after posting and I wasn't sure if I should clarify. I'm glad you brought it up.
     
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    Yes; those are energy. The Universe is said to be made up of matter and energy. (I should haver included energy also) So if this mind is not material or energy, what is it?
     
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