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Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Truthseeker, Dec 2, 2022.

  1. Truthseeker

    Truthseeker Non-debating member when I can help myself

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    It's one of the reasons why I felt that non-violent non-cooperation would have been a better approach.
     
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    What exactly does that mean?
     
  4. Father Heathen

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    Ukraine would've been steamrolled.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    IOW, you'd surrender to Putin.
    Sure, it would result in less death on both sides.
    But unlike you, Ukrainians value independence
    far more. They're also serving to discourage
    Putin from invading more countries.
     
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    Pretty much what Gandhi orchestrated to end the Raj.

    There's no way to know if that would work against Putin's Russia, but at the least hundreds of thousands or millions of Ukrainians wouldn't likely suffer and die as much as we're seeing. Remember, governments do come and go.
     
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    See my post #6.
     
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    Gandhi also believed that Jews should have succumbed to Hitler without resistance. I find his pacifist dogma to be overly idealistic and extremely harmful.

    It's good that Ukrainians know better than Gandhi and haven't surrendered to a violent despot.
     
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  9. Father Heathen

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    Gandhi was an *******, though.

    Racist view of africans, told Jews to go willingly to death camps, terrible father and husband, supported the horrid caste system, and slept with naked girls to "test himself".
     
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    I'm ignorant to this history tidbit.
     
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    So, how are the civilian Ukrainians doing, and do you really think Putin is going to give up and stop the killing until he gets his way? My point is that neither strategy doesn't always lead to success.

    So, imo, it boils down to that which we think is morally right.
     
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    It's when Gandhi and his followers used non-violence that led the Brits to abandon their Raj [occupation] in India.

    BTW, an excellent book that covers this in much detail is "Gandhi & Churchill: The Epic Rivalry That Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age" by Arthur Herman.
     
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  13. Father Heathen

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    It's morally right for them to defend their freedom, democracy, and sovereignty. Allowing despots to act with impunity would set a horrible precedent.
     
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    He's not the only person to use the "razors edge" observance.
     
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    What's wrong with the caste system?

    I like it personally
     
  16. Father Heathen

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    It's arbitrary, classist, and discriminatory.

    Your caste determines what jobs you can have and who you're allowed to associate and socialize with, lower castes are treated like **** and breaking caste boundaries can be met with violence.

    It's like racism but the races are make believe.
     
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    If one is allowed to move amongst the classes (easily or not) I see no issue personally.
     
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    From my understanding, it's tied into reincarnation and birthright.

    Caste system is discriminatory and oppressive.
     
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    I'll agree to disagree. The caste system can be used oppressively, but so can the way we have our society stratified (poor, working class, middle class, etc). And to move from one to the other, while possible, is extremely difficult.

    We just have our own caste system, and call it something different.
     
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    This discussion has somehow gone into Gandhi. I will request all posters to read carefully what he said on the topic
    Between Cowardice and Violence | Gandhi's views on Peace, Nonviolence and Conflict Resolution
    But I do agree that Gandhi's advice that Jews and others resist Hitler nonviolently is absurd.
     
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