Spiderman
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God blesses people for interesting deeds, like Jacob receiving blessings through lies, deception, and even violence against God.
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InChrist
Free4ever
There you go again...assuming what God thinks or does or blesses and in contradiction to His word, too.
If I had to speak in my Church, I'd say God leaves it mysterious about whether he's actually going to punish people.
But it seems to me like you are the one imposing the ideas of ancient men upon God instead of seeking God’s wisdom and insight.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
So to read the christian bible you have to assume God is innocent, and everyone he killed, or commanded to kill was evil. You have to accept that it takes the innocent to take the punishment for the guilty to reconcile the guilty back to God by the condition of repentance, faith, and belief in this promise and act of sacrifice. You have to assume that God is the ultimate good, and every human stands enemy against God in there wickedness until they accept God's conditions.
So we are supposed to test God, and prove God by comparing scripture to reality. And by some God spiritual presence we are supposed to know that it is all true some 2,000 years after the last account.
And if we do not accept that this is all true we are to be marked as infidels by the believers. And if believers ever gain power then they will have us live and die by their God's ultimatum.
Did i get that quite right?
Are their other forms of christianity?
Because that sounds like utter chaos to have to live under those terms.
Its far more sensible to see the bible as a man made book, written from an extremely human perspective. Human in the sense of being very primitive and full of error, and ignorance.
Some of these religions i find extremely unjust and oppressive. And i wonder how long christianity and its war with humanity will rage on for. Hopefully better consciences will prevail.
So we are supposed to test God, and prove God by comparing scripture to reality. And by some God spiritual presence we are supposed to know that it is all true some 2,000 years after the last account.
And if we do not accept that this is all true we are to be marked as infidels by the believers. And if believers ever gain power then they will have us live and die by their God's ultimatum.
Did i get that quite right?
Are their other forms of christianity?
Because that sounds like utter chaos to have to live under those terms.
Its far more sensible to see the bible as a man made book, written from an extremely human perspective. Human in the sense of being very primitive and full of error, and ignorance.
Some of these religions i find extremely unjust and oppressive. And i wonder how long christianity and its war with humanity will rage on for. Hopefully better consciences will prevail.
stvdv
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Caricature is just caricature
Imagine how embarrassed you could be if you actually believed (some of) this caricature to be true (I have seen quite a few on RF who actually believe quite a few of @PopeADope caricature expressions)
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
That is your opinion, your reality
I disagree that "Jesus gave warning about eternal damnation"
stvdv
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IMHO: No human has the right to tell to @PopeADope "You offended God"
Who are they to know and say, whether or not God feels offended by what @PopeADope said?
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stvdv
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And how do you know for a fact that God feels offended by @PopeADope his OP?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The boat these people are missing is that none of us can be whole and well until all of us are whole and well. Including the earth.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
How about a hell from which you have a return?
Jesus condemned the three cities for a fate worse than Gomorrah and Sodom.
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Dutchie
New Member
They had a lifetime to give themselves to Him. While He gave His son for us. You can't take without giving. He gave His sons life for you, give your life for Him. You can't just go around sinning and not believing in God and honoring Him and then when you end up in hell go like "Oh well I guess God is real anyway, Hey God I don't like it here. Can you please take me to haven even though I have done nothing to you?"
Nah you do something for Him and He will do something for you. Just like in real life. I put my trust in Him and He will protect me.
I want you to respect me, I have to respect you. I can't go around insulting you and talking bad behind your back and then expect you to still be nice to me and respect me.
It goes both ways.
I typed way more then I intended to so I am going to leave it at that haha.
...And get their money.
stvdv
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Thanks, I wanted to say that, but later I forgot. I even think that might have been a major motive. Money rules and controls in the western world
stvdv
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Do we have "real" scientific proof that Jesus said this? I just don't believe every verse in the Bible to be true.
And futhermore, that's still a big difference from eternal damnation. Anyway, I don't believe in eternal damnation at all. I can understand humans watching too many videos about Hell and damnation finally start believing in this and see this also in Jesus, I just don't
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80s fashion girl
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I can leave a comment on how I used to believe:
OT: Wow, that's hard to swallow that the God I worship seemed so cruel to people He created. It must be that (and often quoted by Christians) "God has mysterious ways that we don't have to capacity to understand now". The cultures were given the chance and refused to worship the one and only true God, so it must be that they deserve to die. This is the Word of God and I have to believe it, because I want to be saved from Hell.
NT: Wow, that's a long, long, time to suffer in unimaginable torment for not believing in Jesus. "God has mysterious ways that we cannot understand now", but unless I want to be tortured forever and ever, I have to believe that God knows best and have to accept that my understanding is limited. But what about these people who are good, and they are still going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus? Yes, not one person is good because the Word says so; all have fallen short of the glory of God. It doesn't matter how many good deeds they do because of the goodness of their hearts. They are still sinners because they don't believe. This is the Word of God and I have to believe, because I want to be saved from Hell.
RT (real testament): Wow, these scriptures contradict each other and I cannot find a way to reconcile them. If God is perfect then His Word should be perfect, and yet there are errors along with these contradictions.
Fiction, Jewish history (some elaborate tales added), fictitious god, or misunderstood ancient alien "god", collection of stories, letters written with errors, borrowed fables from other cultures. Man made religion to control people by fear.
I no longer call myself a Christian. I can still have Christian kindness without religion, and in addition, expands outside of biblical limits.
OT: Wow, that's hard to swallow that the God I worship seemed so cruel to people He created. It must be that (and often quoted by Christians) "God has mysterious ways that we don't have to capacity to understand now". The cultures were given the chance and refused to worship the one and only true God, so it must be that they deserve to die. This is the Word of God and I have to believe it, because I want to be saved from Hell.
NT: Wow, that's a long, long, time to suffer in unimaginable torment for not believing in Jesus. "God has mysterious ways that we cannot understand now", but unless I want to be tortured forever and ever, I have to believe that God knows best and have to accept that my understanding is limited. But what about these people who are good, and they are still going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus? Yes, not one person is good because the Word says so; all have fallen short of the glory of God. It doesn't matter how many good deeds they do because of the goodness of their hearts. They are still sinners because they don't believe. This is the Word of God and I have to believe, because I want to be saved from Hell.
RT (real testament): Wow, these scriptures contradict each other and I cannot find a way to reconcile them. If God is perfect then His Word should be perfect, and yet there are errors along with these contradictions.
Fiction, Jewish history (some elaborate tales added), fictitious god, or misunderstood ancient alien "god", collection of stories, letters written with errors, borrowed fables from other cultures. Man made religion to control people by fear.
I no longer call myself a Christian. I can still have Christian kindness without religion, and in addition, expands outside of biblical limits.
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A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
I think it is God who should be embarrassed that such things very accurately sum up the position many Christians report that He holds.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Do we have any proof that Jesus said this thing or that thing? It is in all the four Gospels. I would not say anything more than what Bible itself says.
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee."
Mathew 11:20-24
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Most "Christians" are not following the teachings of the Bible. God does not torture people. This is a belief started by Satan to hide the truth from people.