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If you would consider having an abortion (or consider wanting your wife/girlfriend to have one) why?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by justbehappy, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. justbehappy

    justbehappy Active Member

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    I can understand your view on the first - The fact that the soul would be going to a healthy body
    Also, I can agree that it would be hard. Would I personally end their life because of that, though? No. For one, one of my best friend's mother was raped, and she is the child that was conceived. She is an extremely happy and intelligent person, and she has a great future ahead of her. But also, that child is a part of me, no matter who else it belongs to, and I just feel I could not abandon it
     
  2. Just_me_Mike

    Just_me_Mike Well-Known Member

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    Why a mistake? so you might prolong your life just a little bit longer, and when you crawl out of the basement you will now be a child murder, but alive. That takes a special person to be able to live with that. I think you are overreaching a bit with your logic.
     
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    Just_me_Mike Well-Known Member

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    In other words Msizer, you are putting more value on human life, than moral decisions. Saving human lives does not always equal best moral decision. You disagree?
     
  4. justbehappy

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    I agree. This reminds me of a movie I recently saw. I can't recall the name but aliens came to earth and their job was to destroy the population because people had become to evil and were destroying the planet with their acts. Anyways, the message was that people change their ways in times of true chaos
     
  5. MSizer

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    First of all it is not me who would willfully kill any child if I weren't in between a rock and a hard place imposed by somebody esle, and secondly, it would not be for my own sake that I would do it, it would be for the collective sake of the lives of the other people.
     
  6. MSizer

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    I'm not sure what you mean by that.

    If you literally state that and nothing more, then yes, I disagree, but before people jump to conclusions, I might add that protecting concious beings from harm, which includes saving human lives in most circumstances, is my highest moral value.
     
  7. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Thank you.

    Bear in mind, I'm not saying I would definitely get one, jsut that it's something I would struggle with. Though, if open adoption was a possibility, that might be the solution.

    I'm going to get a bit personal here, I hope you don't mind.

    I think experience is a crucial difference here. I've actually been raped (molested, actually), and I know first hand how traumatic it is. I know how I would suffer were it to happen again. What I don't know is whether I could be rational enough to accept my body being wholly taken over by that trauma long enough to put the child up for adoption.

    Then there's the issue of adoption itself, assuming it was a closed one. I've had three miscarriages in my life, and one live birth. Much as I mourned my lost children, I know for a fact that my love for them wasn't even a shadow of my love for my beuatiful boy. It just doesn't compare, because he's real. He's not potential anymore, I'm not just loving my own hopes. A lost pregnancy is painful, but much less, I think, than parting with that little person forever. I don't know that I could do that, either.

    All I know is that I'd be horribly torn over what to do.

    However, after my initial explanatory post, the possibility of open adoption occured to me. I think, if I could stand the pregnancy itself, that's the option I would go for.
     
  8. Just_me_Mike

    Just_me_Mike Well-Known Member

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    There is still time for you... I think you can find higher using just sound logic and reason.
    Staying alive or keeping others alive is hardly the pinnacle of morals.

    In fact the scenario you painted is beautiful for such a realization. Maybe we can discuss in a separate thread, as it is a bit off topic I suppose.
     
  9. MSizer

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    Sure, although I should really get some work done today! (lol, sorta!)

    But by all means, I'd be happy to engage.

    M.
     
  10. Just_me_Mike

    Just_me_Mike Well-Known Member

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    I know what you mean I really don't need to be sitting here. I have so much work to do as well.
     
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  12. AxisMundi

    AxisMundi E Pluribus Unum!!!

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    And the other hundereds of thousands of children already in the system (in private and g'ment orphanes, foster care, etc.) who will grow up in the system and then be kicked out into the world when they reach 18 years of age?

    Sorry, but this whole adoption thing is merely a pie-in-the-sky distraction.
     
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    In this particular field I'm a masculinist; men should have say in the fate of their own offspring. I don't think any legislation should permit a woman not to have an abortion because the father says so, but the man's intake, etc. should be considered in such a decision.
     
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    Absolutely. I should mention that I was only referring to the father of the conceived child.
     
  15. justbehappy

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    Well if it ever comes down to that (though unlikely of course), l hope that you would chose that
     
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    Please read my previous posts. People want NEWBORN BABIES. In fact, there are even more couples on these waitings lists than there are mothers considering this kind of adoption (picking a family for their baby). That fact alone proves that people are simply turning to the easiest answer - abortion.
     
  17. AxisMundi

    AxisMundi E Pluribus Unum!!!

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    And the rest of the kids in the system are "collateral damage"? Waste?

    I'm sorry, but I see some rather dispicable double standards in the current system.
     
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  18. Storm

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    :( And you were doing so well at keeping things civil. :(

    What makes you think abortion is easy?
     
  19. justbehappy

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    I was simply responding to the fact that you think just by putting your child up for adoption that it will become that
     
  20. justbehappy

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    I apologize because I don't mean to make a generalization here, but all of the women that I know that have had abortion have pretty much said it was the "easiest option."
     
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