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Featured If you have read the bible, what primary lesson did you learn?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    “Those who have turned back from following the LORD” (Zephaniah 1:6) are in addition to Judah and Jerusalem (Zephaniah 1:4).
     
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    It is for Judah and Jerusalem, whom I will“chastised justly” (Jeremiah 30:11), and the “nations where I have scattered you”, whom “I will destroy completely” (Jeremiah 30:11) & Zephaniah 1:3).
     
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    Do you think we haven't read the Bible?
     
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    Ways and means are not infinite. What happens to a nation for their sins is not unique to that sinning nation. Jehovah is Just and so what a nation was warned about can be understood as universal. Do you @2ndpillar not know that about the Bible?
     
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    Here's another lesson I learned. What is good for one man is good for another. Or what is bad for one man is bad for another. With God, there is no distinction between one person and another or between one group and another or between one nation and another.
     
  6. 2ndpillar

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    Au contraire mon ami. Israel is being forgiven of her sins because of her name. (Ezekiel 36:21-28), and will be taken from the nations and “you will live on the land that I gave to our forefathers” (Ex 36:26-28), and “I will give you a new heart” and you will “observe my ordinances”. As for the “nations” where I have “I have scattered you”, “I will completely destroy”. (Jeremiah 30:11).
     
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    Apparently you think you are going to be protected from "justice", by the sacrifice of another for your on going "iniquities". Don't count on it. (Jeremiah 31:30). You will not escape death, as promised by the serpent and his son Paul (Genesis 3:4) & ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17). "every one dies for his own iniquity" (Jer 31:30).
     
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    Reading the bible, and having understanding, are two different things. The “wicked”, those who do not follow the LORD, but follow the dragon, and his false prophet, are according to Daniel12:10, unable to “understand”. That is why you are, according to one of your members, without Spirit or power.
     
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    Israel is forgiven for GOD'S name just like everyone can be forgiven for GOD'S name.
     
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    Is that your final word about it? Remember that.
     
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    Strawman.
     
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    There is a difference between excusing sin and forgiving it. God does not excuse the sinner. But, when asked in real faith she is forgiven her sin.

    And, hahahahahahahahaha the Jehovah's Witnesses seem to think that it is an ongoing sin to be ignoring the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and to disagree with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm betting on it isn't a sin. OK?

    Anyone (not you :p) being a jerk isn't going to change my mind about that
     
  13. savagewind

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    No, I guess @2ndpillar isn't a JW. So, sorry. You seem to me to be communicating like one.
     
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    Please turn off the water. I can’t understand what you are saying when you go swirling down the drain. At least better preface your remarks.
     
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    Less talk, I say!
     
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    Serenity7855 Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists

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    Well, strictly speaking, Adam did not solely break Gods laws. God instructed Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply and replenish the earth, although neither had a clue as to how they were going to do that. Procreation was never a need as we had always existed prior to this, like energy can not be destroyed or created, neither could we, a whole different story. God also said that he must not partake of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that would give him the wherewithal on how he would multiply.

    A bit of a dilemma as one could not be achieved without breaking the other. It was Eve who allowed Satan to beguile her and she did eat of the fruit of the tree and the eyes of her understanding were opened, resulting in her certain expulsion from the Garden of Eden, where she had lived with God, in a state of perfection, that is, immortal and able to exist for eternity. We know that because they both walked and talked with God. No unclean thing can be in the presence of God least he should wither and die. They had to be in that condition to be able to walk with God. Note also that from when the fall had taken place they never see God again, they had become mortal, and therefore, imperfect, unable to dwell with God. God's Plan of Salvation had begun.

    Now Adam had no real choice but to partake of the fruit. If he didn't he would be left in the garden alone and Eve would be in the mortal world on her own, with no chance of recreation. Adam had to partake, and enter into mortality, in order to fulfill Gods second commandment to him, that is, so that man may be and the sacred Plan of Salvation might be put into action. If he didn't then we would not be here today and Adam would still be in the Garden and Eve will have died from old age. There is much to thank Adam for. By him partaking the human race had begun.

    It is also well to note that after they ate the fruit they covered their nakedness as they were ashamed, verifying that prior to this they knew nothing about the methods of recreation. It is all so perfectly done. The Garden of Eden was in a state of perfection in order for them to dwell there, and Adam was created from the dust of the perfect earth. The garden had to be covered up as any mortal being entering it would wither and die. Everything surrounding that event corroborates it

    Did all of that take place in reality, it doesn't matter, it was the principles involved that mattered, as it always is in the Bible. In order for us to be tried and tested in the flesh, we had to become flesh first.
     
  17. URAVIP2ME

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    In Scripture there is often a minor and a MAJOR fulfillment.
    The people of Isaiah 33:20 were Not pardoned for their iniquity (sins ) or they would have Not died.
    But the people living under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth will be pardoned.
    That is why 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8 lets us know ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth.
    Just as a governor can pardon a person so ' crime ' charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the 'sin' charges No longer stick. That is what allows residences of earth at that time to be able to say, " I am Not sick...."

    The broad rivers of Isaiah 33:21 in connection to Jeremiah 2:13 which are first a ' spiritual river ' of protection.
    That would be followed by ' literal ' waters of Revelation 22:2, and for the healing of earth's nations.

    The nations of Ezekiel 37:28 will know because since Pentecost the Israel of God is the Christian congregation.
    Since Pentecost it is Jerusalem ' above ' that is Now mother - Galatians 4:26.
    So, since Pentecost as per Romans 2:28-29 we are talking about a spiritual Israel, as spiritual nation as found mentioned at 1 Peter 2:9,5. A nation with No borders nor boundaries and Not located on any map.

    I find there is ' reward ' mentioned at Revelation 22:12 and that is in connection to Revelation 22:14.
    The ' reward' of the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' as mentioned at Revelation 22:22 for healing earth's nations.
    The ' adverse ' outside-the gate judgement is against those figurative haughty ' goats ' of Matthew 25:31-33.
     
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    I find No mention of Satan at 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Chapter 4:1 is addressing Christ's 'brothers' (Matthew 25:40)

    We are released from that temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law covenant or contract for ancient Israel.
    Christ was the ' end ' of that temporary law as per Romans 10:4.

    The consequences of breaking God's sin law is: death
    According to Romans 6:23 the total price tag that sin pays is: death. (No post-mortem penalty)
    If we could stop sinning we would Not die. Since Adam we all die because we all sin - Romans 3:23.
    Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another, then we need someone who can resurrect us - Revelation 1:18.
    Jesus is the one who can and who will resurrect the dead.
    Some have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven - Revelation 20:6; They are ones of 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

    Since Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' (there is going to be) then those No called to heaven can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection to live life on Earth. To be part of the humble meek to inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:45 in connection to Psalms 37:9-11, when the wicked will be No more because according to Psalms 92:7 the wicked will be: destroyed forever.
    Satan is wicked ( Revelation 12:12, 9 ) and according to Hebrews 2:14 Jesus destroys Satan.
    Sinner Satan ends up in that symbolic ' second death ' of Revelation 21:8 ( death Not life ).
     
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    That Jesus wept. Compassion is the hallmark of his message.
     
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    As for the people of Isaiah 33:20, that is during the time when “ Zion”(Isaiah 33:5) has been “filled” with “justice and righteousness”, but when “the peoples will be burned to lime”. That is not a “minor fulfillment”. That is where “no resident will say ‘I am sick’” (Isaiah 33:24). That is for the people on Mount Zion (Isaiah 33:5), for which the criteria is to keep my Sabbath and my covenant (Isaiah 56:6), and it pertains to the “day of the LORD”, and the only ones who do not die and need the trees along the river to heal, are the righteous, who rose from the dead, and have already died and do not have the mark of the beast (Jeremiah 31:30). The rest all die at over 100 years of age, unless they are considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20) As for “Jeremiah 2:13”, you have nailed the “fountain of living waters” to the cross, and have turned to the bitter waters of the false prophet Paul. The mark that comes with that does not result in “living water”, but drinking the wine of the wrath of God. (Revelation 14:10). As for Ezekiel 37:28, after the nations have come through the “day of distress”, and confessed “our father have inherited nothing but falsehood” (Jeremiah 16:19), then per Ezekiel 37:28, they will know that “that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”

    . Ezekiel is about the stick of Judah combining with the stick of Israel/Joseph, to become again “one stick”, Israel. The nations will come to the Jews and say God is with you. You are calling up down, and down up. The consequences of such an action is not good.

    New American Standard Bible Zechariah 8:23
    "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"


    New American Standard Bible Isaiah 65:20
    "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.


    Ezekiel 37: 24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”
     
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