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If Trump wins again

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Riders, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Active Member

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    Agreed. There was no good candidate.

    Many in our government dropped the ball on that.[/QUOTE]
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Absolutely false, and as a matter of fact his more recent proposals would further ramp up the deficit while at the same time increasingly hurting the poor and elderly, especially through Medicaid cuts, as he wants to further increase military spending.

    And the proof that you're wrong is clear as the fed has had to increase the prime because of this increased spending, otherwise inflation could all too easily run rampant.

    IOW, basic Economics 101.
     
  3. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

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    It does sound like an ad hom, at best
    Sounds racist. I will look up the full quote.
    It could of course, be an accurate observation,
    too. Some people recuse themselves because
    of a conflict of interest.

    One line out of context is not enough to convince
    me of the whole chant of racist xenophobe isomaophobe
    blah and etc.

    Is if for you?
     
  4. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

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    I wont likely change my mind on Trump. I think
    he is as turd; I dont see that he is all those other
    awful things of which he is constantly accused.

    The real probs are enough, no need to concoct
    more.
     
  5. Augustus

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    The thing with Trump is that he will aim to discredit any person who criticises him: 'fake news', 13 angry democrats, biggest witch hunt ever, 2nd rate lawyer trying to get a reduced sentence, etc.

    He's not really saying 'Mexicans can't be fair' he's simply latched on to whatever he could that allows him and his base to dismiss the criticisms.

    It's not exactly meritorious behaviour, but, on its own, it is more likely to be another example of the same rhetorical strategy he always uses than an expression of racism.

    A major problem with modern politics is the tendency to interpret what people say in the worst possible manner, we should all give the benefit of the doubt to people, even/especially those we dislike.
     
  6. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Na, it's also racism because no non-racist would use such language. Plus there's numerous other things he's said and done, such as asking why more people who "look like Norwegians" aren't coming here, for just one example.
     
  7. Dan From Smithville

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    It looks like we will have to agree that we see things differently as to the extent and nature of the presidents qualities.
     
  8. Audie

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    You like trump and think he is all the awful things...?
     
  9. wellwisher

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    Main stream news, which collectively reaches the majority of people, has a record of 90% negative news against Trump. This has an accumulative impact on people who memorize, repeat and gossip, but who don't do research to determine the truth.

    How about we run a test? We will ask a volunteer, from the forum community, to be the scapegoat in this test. The rest of members will make up the worse things we can say about the volunteer, until we achieve about 90% negative opinions of the volunteer, over the next year. We will mimic main stream news and the volunteer will attempt to defect the negative attacks.

    We do this along with a running survey, for newcomers and visitors, where we allow them can express their opinion of the volunteer, to see who many will mimic the constant 90% negative criticism.

    We will also do a side-by-side, where we have a second volunteer, but we give the second volunteer 90% positive opinions, to see if the visitors also mimic that. If this works as I suggest, everyone will learn the basics of propaganda 1.0 as function of gullibility.

    We could also have a third question category which determines how many visitors will sense 90% bullies and 90% bootlickers, even without the ability to do research into the volunteers to test the accusations and options. These are the most perceptive people against which propaganda is not affective.
     
  10. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Reporting the news is not "negative", but new commentaries may be. The major news networks mainly cover events, whether that may hurt or help Trump's image, but when one gets into MSNBC, Fox, and sometimes CNN, there's often news commentary that gets injected. At least CNN does bring in people on both sides of the aisle, whereas MSNBC and Fox aren't really good at that. Ya, they bring in some, but they're swamped,

    Matter of fact, there were three independent studies done a while back that showed that those who get most of the news from Fox know less real news than those who typically don't watch the t.v. news. However, I tend to believe Fox has been trying to correct more of this negative image in recent years because of the scandals they've had with some of their former staff.

    The unfortunate reality is that all too many people are gullible enough that when Trump says or tweets "Fake news!" they just blindly believe him. Trump is doing what Stalin did on a regular basis before nationalizing the press in the Soviet Union, including calling the media "the enemy of the people", which is also words that Trump has used against the media he hates.
     
  11. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    It certainly can be negative or positive.
    Methods....
    - Alter quotes.
    - Selective coverage.
    - Embedded commentary.
     
  12. Dan From Smithville

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    Sure. We can twist my position away from disagreeing with you over the extent and result of Trumps actions as I see it and turn me into a supporter of odious little men that have big mouths and whine. Not sure how my support of Trump under those qualifications is going to do much for him.

    Seriously.?! In my view, many of the characteristics attributed to Trump and the results of those characteristics in action by Trump as described in the media are correct descriptions. You disagree. We may always disagree on that. But we can agree that we are neither of us fans.
     
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