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If Trump wins again

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Riders, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Dan From Smithville

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    I do not think all of it is lambasting.

    FACT CHECK: Did Donald Trump Encourage Violence at His Rallies?
     
  2. Dan From Smithville

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    I hear whining. Arrogant does not mean that a person cannot or does not whine.

    Actually, I was thinking of the statements Trump made before the murder by car and the failure to speak out against racists agendas.

    I am not making this stuff up. You do not have to when he publishes on a daily basis.
     
  3. Audie

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    You are not making it up just letting yourself
    be, sorry, duped. Look up the whole quote,
    not just the dishonestly redacted. He vigorously
    denounced the badguys.
     
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    IOW-sorry- but ya gots nothin' but a attitude there.

    I have asked for an example of racidt bigot 'phobe
    this or that, the one thing offered was a fraud
    from lib media.

    Maybe maybe shift yr centre of gravity a bit
    toward fact based?
     
  5. Revoltingest

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    Yeah....his opponents will see violent intent.
    But to me it seems reckless joking.
    Still bad behavior, but some people go off the deep end with it.

    Overall we need both parties, & everyone else to use more peaceful advocacy.
     
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  6. Dan From Smithville

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    I am not sorry. I am right. He is an odious little man with narcissistic personality disorder. I am not saying that he is not delivering on many of his promises. I do not think that this country is going to fold because he is president. What I see is something that is childish and petty.

    I have gone back through several reports on Charlottesville and found nothing that would change my position there. He did finally say something negative against the actions of one individual, but it took him long enough. Everything else that I mentioned he did, is exactly as reported from several outlets.

    I know I my opinion is formed on facts. I included one source found on Snopes in a post above.If Trump wins again

    What I see with many Trump supporters is the same thing I see with creationists that demand that the Bible is infallible. They have to ignore a lot of stuff to get what they want.
     
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    I did not think YOU are making things up..

    I judt have not seen anything that supports the
    bigot-racidt-phobe stuff.
     
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    Odious, sure.

    The "good..both sides" referred to the pro and
    anti statue thing.

    And it came way after several times denouncing the
    violence.

    I am no creationist or trump supporter.

    But the antis often seem utterly unhinged.
     
  9. Dan From Smithville

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    I am not saying that he intends to facilitate a trend toward violence. I do not think he cares one way or the other. What I am saying is that others feel his actions and words make taking violent action OK. He cannot be unaware of that. It is not an instance where these were a couple of isolated comments to a small group of people that were calm and in control of themselves.

    I ended up voting Libertarian in the last election and I am not even Libertarian. At least Johnson had experience governing and was also a businessman. I do not see him attacking a dead war hero that he was miffed about.

    I can understand people electing him based on the economy and business, but I cannot figure out how a base that has such a large contingent of fundamentalist Christians can look the other way at some of the things he has said or done. There were other Republicans that could have addressed the economy, been pro-fundamentalist and without the misogyny, childish and reckless behavior.
     
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    What about him saying that a Judge Curiel in the Trump Univ case could not be fair because he was Mexican? Do you think that was selective reporting as well?
     
  11. Dan From Smithville

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    Am I unhinged then and not capable of drawing conclusions from my information? I do not think so. I do not listen to a lot of media in the sense that I am just repeating what they say. I do not even own a television. I get my information from numerous sources that have been labeled as one or the other sides of the aisle. I have arrived at my conclusions based on the evidence I have from those sources. The information from which I have formulated my opinion is gathered from what I know of Trump prior to his candidacy, through his candidacy and finally what he says and how he acts as our president. It is not based on a single example no matter how accurate that example may be, but based on all I have seen.

    I still think that he creates a feeling for many that it is OK to be a racist and that busting a few heads is a good thing.
     
  12. Dan From Smithville

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    I am OK that you and others may not agree with my opinion. I do keep an open mind that my opinion can be changed. Though the more information I find that supports it, the more difficult that change is going to be and the more robust the information is going to need to be to change it.

    I will still listen to what you have to say on the subject and often I find that I agree with your assessments. It is just that here, we are in disagreement. We may always be. I do not think we have to agree on everything. Where would the fun in discussion and debate be then?
     
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    The flip side of this is that so many anti-Trumpettes will blindly oppose anything he wants,
    even tax increases on wealthy homeowners, & the First Step Act (judicial reform).
    They're like creationists opposing evolution without being willing to learn about it.

    There's a middle ground which is independent of his unsavory personality, ie,
    that some policies have merit, & some deserve opposition. Issues matter.
     
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    I agree that his speech resulted in increased rancor, which leads to more violence.
    I also saw that his opposition was responding in kind, which is no better.
    Johnson was far & away the best candidate in the election.
    His only problem was having a snowball's chance in Hades
    of winning.
    The election was close, erroneous polls notwithstanding.
    So those who could vote either way had more than usual
    power empower the better one.....or the lesser evil.
     
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    The mentality you describe is driving me further and further away from either party, but unfortunately, there is often little choice for someone with my moderate views.

    The fact is that Trump is president. What is he doing that is good? It all cannot be bad. But in trying to find that good, I cannot ignore the bad.

    I agree with you that it is the issues that really matter, because they will be there even with the next president.
     
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    That is the problem with voting for someone like Johnson. He was great, but as you say, had no chance of winning. He got a few extra protest votes from people like me, but that was never going to do anything.

    I am not convinced that Clinton would have been completely horrible, but she had so much baggage that you could not look passed it without wondering. We may have been ready for a woman in the presidency, but not that woman.

    I think the close election says more about how divided we are than it says about anything else.
     
  17. Revoltingest

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    Aye, the cries of "Misogyny!" bespoke cluelessness.
    There's no way to know if Hillary would've been better or worse than Trump.
    We could only guesstimate the effects each would have in office, & then vote.
     
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    You better update your sources. The CBO in January this year revised their estimates. They admitted they got it wrong. In Fiscal 2019 they now say the deficit will be $75 billion less than they thought last March and cumulative deficits will be $1.2 trillion dollars less. Which shows us that CBO estimates are pretty bad. On the other hand actual revenue and figures don’t lie, and they show that the tax cuts increased revenue. Actual data trumps bad estimates.
     
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    The reality is that President Trump has introduced a budget which will eliminate the deficits. So he has kept his promise. If the Democrats in Congress refuse to pass his recommendations then they are responsible for the deficits not being eliminated, not President Trump.
     
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    How did you feel about Bengazi?

    Trump certainly has his shortcomings but much of the reasons he won had to do with weighing which candidates were more 'significantly flawed' than the other
     
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