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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Indeed, you are not. That would have been more honorable from you than what you are actually doing.

    You are asking atheists to pretend that those people do not exist.

    That is particularly weird because you admit yourself that they are, in fact, numerous.
     
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  2. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    As in "none"?
     
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  3. QuestioningMind

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    My opposition to the notion that I should believe that any god or gods are real is the lack of verifiable evidence for any god or gods. I assume that it's the same reason that you lack belief in any claim that you have heard that doesn't have any verifiable evidence to support belief in it.
     
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  4. fantome profane

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    Nothing made atheists to oppose it. They naturally evolved to oppose it.
     
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  5. QuestioningMind

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    But, what is the problem with atheists ?
    Theists are not forcefully imposing their ideas on atheists.
    Why not Atheists stay away from Theists and all their ideas, or concepts and mind their own businesses ?


    What imaginary world do you live in where theists don't attempt to forcefully impose their ideas on atheists? There are currently 13 nations in the world where being an atheist is punishable by death. There are 5 states in the USA where atheists are not allowed to run for public office. As soon as the theists stay away from us atheists with their ideas and concepts and mind their own business, wer'll be more than happy to do the same.

    Is it a deal?
     
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  6. Bob the Unbeliever

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    Well, to be sure-- nobody paid any attention to the theist-- until he tried **forcing** his theism onto other people.

    Then? Someone said, "prove it" ... and we've been asking for proof ever since.

    So far? None has ever been forthcoming. But lots of swords-in-the-belly, and across the neck and worse, for many daring to ask for proof...
     
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  7. Bob the Unbeliever

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    Absolutely false! Even in 2019, I have just read of Theistic Countries, who are murdering atheists who won't comply with the Official Theismâ„¢

    For centuries, in fact, openly being an atheist, got you killed-- and your family too...

    ... even in the USA, it can get you so ostracized to the point, some young people commit suicide...
     
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  8. Bob the Unbeliever

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    100% false. I was told this very thing-- repeatedly-- for decades. By force, in that I had no choice but to attend...
     
  9. lewisnotmiller

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    Yep!
     
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  10. LuisDantas

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    Come to think of it, Christine, isn't the very observation that @chinu makes of his distinction between "true" and "false" theists reason enough for us atheists to both exist as such and to insist on being visible and outspoken about it?

    The only other alternative that I can see is that somehow "false" theism is supposed to both be relevant and to for no clear reason be treated as not relevant anyway.

    While I realize that some people do hold such an expectation, I do not think that it is defensable.

    Indeed. I do not know if @chinu fully grasps that, but the difference between his "true" and "false" theists is not one that absolves theism. "False" theists are just as sincere and usually much more motivated than "true" ones... and someone must step up and challenge them to protect everyone from harm.

    Apparently, if this very thread is any indication, it is too much to expect theism to contain its own excesses, and therefore it falls to non-theists to keep theists honest.

    It will be a great day when that is not quite so obvious or does not make so much of a difference. But that day is not one that existed in the last millenium or so, and is not one that is about to happen right now, either.
     
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  11. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I am not even sure what "false theism" is. The best i can imagine is that it is a personal judgement of people who worship a god in a (slightly) different way to the accuser/finger pointer.

    I agree absolutely. If a "true" christian will judge and censure christians he/she considers "not true" christians then what chance have none believers got of (shall we say) equality in the eyes of the self proclaimed "true christian"
     
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  12. chinu

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    Like; one cannot be a doctor by just wearing a stethoscope,
    Similarly; one cannot be a true theist by just having a "good-book"

    False-Atheist,
    That is only I can say here.
     
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    So, the application is refused on the grounds of bizarre non sequitur.

    Amen! :)
     
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    Why to pretend, if there seems to be any kind of danger, or significant drawback ? why ?
     
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    Perhaps you are surrounded by False-Theists. (That is only I can say)
    Stay away from false-theists, be safe.
    If you are Atheist. I don't force you to become Theist.
    Be happy, enjoy your life.
     
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    All these demands are created by False-Theists.
     
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    Do NOT Guess. God/Nature gave you brain-power and wisdom, use that.
     
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    Theist = The one who is SURE about the existence of God
    Atheist = The one who DOUBTS the existence of God

    Whereas,

    False-Theist = The one who DOUBTS the existence of God. But, pretends to be a Theist.
    False-Atheists = Is also the one who DOUBTS the existence of God. But pretends to be an Atheist.

    False-Theist are the worst people on this earth.

    False-Atheists are like cute children on this earth :)

    Atheist are true people on this earth.

    Theists are also physically present on this earth. But, are no longer resident of this earth/world.
     
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    This means you DOUBT the existence of God, rather than SURE ?
     
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    There are far more concrete reasons than that.

     
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