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Featured If Jesus is God why doesn't the Bible say so?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by SethZaddik, Apr 1, 2017.

  1. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    I have found a promise that God made to Abraham, and also to Sarah, at Genesis 21:12 B where God plainly says that Abraham should listen to Sarah for in 'Isaac' thy seed ( singular offspring ) would be called.
    God would bless Sarah according to Genesis 17:16, and at Genesis 17:19,21 the ' everlasting covenant ' ( contract ) would be with: Isaac.
    Thus, the promised ' seed ' ( offspring ) of Genesis 3:15 would prove to be Jesus through Isaac.
    Jesus will fulfil God's promise that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
    Blessed with the benefits of healing for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2; Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18.
     
  2. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    It's clear you are blaming the Jews for the Trinity which didn't exist in the time Acts was written or earlier.

    Which means that's not possible. And the Jews had nothing to do with the Trinity later either it was Pauline Romans.
     
  3. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    My only reason for commenting on this was to inform that Ishmael recieved the Covenant, was circumcised and blessed.

    Just not as much as Isaac. But blessed and a member of God's Covenant with Isaac, through circumcision.
     
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  5. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    But in Isaac like you said and through Isaac like she said are different things entirely.

    In one Isaac is the fulfillment.

    In the other the ancestor of the promised son.
     
  6. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    Evie:

    Again, Ishmael, Covenant, circumcision, end of interest. You brought it up 100 messages ago and I just want to tell you that one thing.

    Good grief.
     
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    Genesis 17:19-21. States: 'And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with hi seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly: twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.'
     
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    Ishmael did NOT RECEIVE the covenant, Isaac did. Plainly stated in scripture.
     
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    Ishmael was not even given a part of the everlasting covenant. God gave it to Isaac. 'My covenant I establish with Isaac' scripture states.
     
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    Hagar, mother of Ishmael was a young bond woman. No miracle needed for the conception of Ishmael. But Sarah was 90 and also barren (could not have children). So Isaac was a God given miracle son.
     
  12. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    And putting aside the fact that God's Messenger (saw) was a descendant of two Biblical Patriarchs, Abraham and Ishmael, who was circumcised and thus recieved the Covenant the same as Jacob and his descendants.

    Not every Biblical Prophet is an Israelite.

    Job, Balaam, both Chaldean.

    Ruth the Moabitess is in the line of David to Christ (pbut), so technically has Moabite blood.

    There are at least 4 goy Prophets I only happen to remember two.

    Luke, if you believe that Acts is the word of God and inspired, which would make him a Prophet like any NT author is considered, was Syrian.

    John Mark was Egyptian.

    And whoever wrote Matthew was obviously a Greek because he had virgin in the version he uses and that is only in the LXX. A Hebrew would have known better.

    Adam, Eve, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Shem and Melchizedek all NOT ISRAELITES.

    It is not a prerequisite for Prophethood but Muhammad (saws) is unique in that he is a descendant of Abraham but not through Israel.

    Islam acknowledges Zoroaster/Zarathusthra as a Prophet (pbwh) the Persian monotheistic reformer of the Persian Empire and Ahura Mazda, God of Cyrus, the Persian Messiah and King of Isaiah, is considered to be the same one God of all monotheists.

    You don't have to be a Jew to be a Prophet.

    Abraham was not, Isaac was not, Jacob were all not Jews.

    Judah is the first Judahite or Jew as we call them today.

    You got 11 more tribes and 69 more nations. 68 since Judah split from norther Israel to become a separate nation. 70 nations is tradition.
     
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    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    Stop obsessing about Ishmael the conversation is over.

    Your rantings are noted. Move on.
     
  14. Aberamentho

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    Read it again.

    Being circumcised IS THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT.

    Bible scholar!!!
     
  15. Aberamentho

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    Go ahead and debate that circumcision represents induction into the Covenant, I will guarantee you that I will prove you wrong from the Bible and the Talmud and the Zohar.

    Debate that Ishmael was blessed and I will just quote the passage from Genesis that puts it to rest and you will feel foolish when you realize you don't know your Bible at all.
     
  16. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    Because it is a matter of fact that Circumcision is the sign of the Covenant as well as that Ishmael was circumcised and blessed.

    I don't need Talmud or Zohar but I will use either.

    The Zohar laments the day Ishmael was circumcised into the Covenant, for obvious reasons.

    Portrays a "Ishmael does good Israel does bad" and visa versa mentality.

    It still acknowledges that Ishmael was a part of the same Covenant as all Israelites were, same God.
     
  17. URAVIP2ME

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    The Trinity/Triad concept goes back even before the first century: going way back to ancient Babylon's roots.
    Non-Jews used the trinity concept before the first century.
    UN-faithful first-century Jews who began mixing with the non-Jewish Greeks came in contact with the non-biblical trinity concept. So, No, Not blaming the Jews, but 'UN-faithful 'Jews who mixed and blended with non-biblical people.
    Later, Constantine for one, helping to establish Christendom ( <-mostly Christian just in name only ) helped cement the 'non-biblical trinity concept ' into a nominal Christianity when it is Not a biblical teaching.
     
  18. Aberamentho

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    Everyone who was ever circumcised and a descendant of Abraham or accepted as a convert to Judaism or Islam is a member of the same Covenant.

    Like it or not.
     
  19. URAVIP2ME

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    The promised 'seed ' ( singular offspring ) of Genesis 3:15 is Not plural as in seeds or persons.
    The promised ' seed ' turned out to be Jesus, and Jesus came through Issac's line.

    Any comments on above post # 221
     
  20. Aberamentho

    Aberamentho Gnosis

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    The concept is older than the Bible yes we all know this. It's not news.

    It is not in the Bible and wasn't the fault of who you blamed.

    Deal with it.
     
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