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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what would be the reaction of theists if evidence was discovered which proved beyond any shadow of doubt that no god has ever existed, and all faiths are created by humans?
     
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    I'm not sure that's even possible.

    For one thing, a god would have to be a coherent concept before we could say that the concept is false. Many gods just haven't been defined coherently.
     
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  3. Nowhere Man

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    There isn't any existing God now. That's pretty strong evidence in itself.

    There's absolutely nothing theists can do about it either, other than continuing to pretend that there is one , like they've been doing all along.
     
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    There is no shadow of doubt re Noahs Ark,
    for all the differrnce that makes to "believers".
     
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  5. JJ50

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    I am not sure it is possible either, but my question is asking how they would react if such evidence was discovered
     
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  6. Jayhawker Soule

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    Denial is self-serving and powerful. There is no "beyond any shadow of doubt" for the willfully blind and those who model the Dunning-Kruger effect.
     
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    Then we will be wondering who started something out of nothing.



    And in our wonder these things of awe shouldn't exist at all.
    But they do exist, so we become fools instead.
     
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    Your seems a bit incoherent. (Increasing the font size doesn't help.)
     
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    the world would fall into chaos because there would be no standard of morality.
     
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    I assume it likely such evidence could reveal something other exists in lieu of what had been previously deemed deity/ies, or that the same thing deemed divine is more accurately X. Not dissimilar to how germ theory replaced miasma theory in medicine. The latter was accepted since pre-Christian times, medicine has only accepted that microorganisms too small to see are the cause of infectious disease since the mid-1800s.
     
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    There is so much that is immoral attributed to the Biblical god, so the world would be no worse off, imo.
     
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    There are many morally sound, ethical people who are also non-theistic and don't rely on sacred texts or religions to tell them how to be so.
     
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    I suspect a bit of denial, a bit of depression and a whole load of carry on regardless on an “if it ain’t broke…” principle.
     
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    Why do you suppose that would be the case? There are many atheists who are very moral, loving, and charitable people. You seem to be implying the only reason to do good is because a god is going to reward or punish your behavior. Why not do good because you care about other people, regardless of whether or not a god exists?
     
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    No, there isn't.

    There is nothing atheists can do except dialectical arguments to prove God doesn't exist. Outside that there is no proof.
     
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    Do you really think that everything is a coincidence? The man, the brain, nature, the laws of physics, the universe.... all a coincidence?
     
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    Interesting that the belief in "god" runs so deep
    that even if its existence is disproved, the response
    is just to substitute another thing and another name.

    Like the theist saying that "everyone believes in something"
    or, "atheists are just denying it but they too believe"
     
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    And my point is that it's often not a matter of evidence. If "X" is an incoherent concept, then so is "X is false."

    ... which isn't a point in favour of belief in an incoherent god; it's saying that the god-concept is even more dismissable than if it was merely wrong. It's not even good enough to be evaluated based on evidence, so we don't even need to consider evidence in order to discard it.
     
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    Actually, what I wrote doesn't disprove the existence of something but would identify it differently. Using the comparison of medical theories, centuries of doctors observed that something caused infectious disease and explained as best as was feasible. It wasn't until the 1800s that it was feasible to be more precise on the cause. Ancient doctors weren't entirely wrong or delusional, "bad air" can cause disease. It's just that they just were unaware "bad air" contains airborne pathogens undetectable to the eye. Either way, a contaminate enters the body when air is inhaled. The ancient and modern person alike will seek to minimize their exposure to airborne illness even though their understanding of the root source differ.
     
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