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If Imperial Germany won WW1

Spiderman

Veteran Member
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If Germany, the ottoman Empire, and their friends won World War 1, what would be different about our world in your opinion? Germany during World War 1 doesn't seem that bad to me, or at least no worse than their enemies the British Empire, Russian Empire, and arguably possibly no worse than America and France. The Ottoman Empire was terrible, but who knows if even they were worse than some of those other countries mentioned.

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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Well, Hitler wouldn't have come to power and so WWII would not have happened. At least not how it did. The world would be extremely different since the global order we have now is largely what was created after WWII.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Having defeated France and England, Germany would have
turned its guns back on Russia. This would have given it
total supremacy of the Eurasian landmass. This would have
encouraged it to consider defeating the USA. What we know of
as the liberal democracies could have vanished.
Saying Kaiser's Germany is no different than England or America
is playing the moral equivalency argument.
 
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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
If Japan had won none of us would have chairs. Instead we would either stand or kneel.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
If Japan had won none of us would have chairs. Instead we would either stand or kneel.

By saying Germany had defeated America above I meant had it
defeated American forces in Europe.
The idea that we wouldn't have chairs if Japan won the war is
offensive to those who lived under Japanese rule. It trivializes
the hard won benefits of living in Western democracies. And
is a common sentiment of people who themselves wouldn't
want to live under any other system.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Having defeated France and England, Germany would have
turned its guns back on Russia. This would have given it
total supremacy of the Eurasian landmass.
Well, that's the mistake Hitler and Napoleon made, trying to take that landmass...
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Having defeated France and England, Germany would have
turned its guns back on Russia. This would have given it
total supremacy of the Eurasian landmass. This would have
encouraged it to consider defeating the USA. What we know of
as the liberal democracies could have vanished.
Saying Kaiser's Germany is no different than England or America
is playing the moral equivalency argument.

Everything you wrote is wrong.

By the time the armistice happened the Axis was already at peace with Russia.
The supposed Mitteleuropa Plan (Centraleurope Plan) didn't envision vast land grabs in the east.

And the Septemberprogramm is also rather tame considering Nazi insanity.

  • France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
  • France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans' funds and to pay off all of Germany's existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
  • France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
  • Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a "vassal state", which should cede eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
  • Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
  • Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland, which would remain under German sovereignty "for all time".[4]
  • Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
  • The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be taken, but Britain's "intolerable hegemony" in world affairs was to end.
  • The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance of coercion.


    Septemberprogramm - Wikipedia
 

Duke_Leto

Active Member
The Middle East would likely be in a better shape. Many of its problems are due to the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire after the war and the great powers' subsequent administrations.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Only to the fascists and communists.

"The EU is nothing but the fulfillment of the Funk Plan, (Funk was the minister of the Economy of the 3rd Reich). It dealt with making Germany the leading industrial power, by boycotting Italy's industry and forcing Italians to specialize in agriculture and tourism only. All currencies were supposed to behave like the German Mark"

P. Savona, It. Minister
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"The EU is nothing but the fulfillment of the Funk Plan, (Funk was the minister of the Economy of the 3rd Reich). It dealt with making Germany the leading industrial power, by boycotting Italy's industry and forcing Italians to specialize in agriculture and tourism only. All currencies were supposed to behave like the German Mark"

P. Savona, It. Minister
So basically Hitler's goals have been largely achieved? Germany has essentially won the war?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
So basically Hitler's goals have been largely achieved? Germany has essentially won the war?

Yes. Brexit is not a caprice...it's just that the British are tired of being the n.2 ...their potentialities are vilified by Germany.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
"The EU is nothing but the fulfillment of the Funk Plan, (Funk was the minister of the Economy of the 3rd Reich). It dealt with making Germany the leading industrial power, by boycotting Italy's industry and forcing Italians to specialize in agriculture and tourism only. All currencies were supposed to behave like the German Mark"

P. Savona, It. Minister

ts;dr
"HURR DURR HITLER EU FOURTH REICH MUH MIGHTY ITALY IS BEING HELD DOWN BY THE BARBARIANS"
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
So basically Hitler's goals have been largely achieved? Germany has essentially won the war?
Indeed, that's why ...
There are no Jews or gays in Europe.
Sterilisation is now practiceds throughtout all of Europe
Eugenics and Aryan Studies are taught in all European schools
Women are used to ensure a high birth rate to increase the Aryan race
Jack boots are marching through English towns.
All of Europe speaks German
I, when meeting a policeman or military personnel, have to salute and say, "Heil Merkel"
Concentration camps have been built throughout Europe to house Homosexuals, prostitutes, Jehovah's Witnesses, gypsies, alcoholics, pacifists, beggars, and others.

Mind you we do have better Autobahns

What utter rubbish
 

Shad

Veteran Member
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If Germany, the ottoman Empire, and their friends won World War 1, what would be different about our world in your opinion? Germany during World War 1 doesn't seem that bad to me, or at least no worse than their enemies the British Empire, Russian Empire, and arguably possibly no worse than America and France. The Ottoman Empire was terrible, but who knows if even they were worse than some of those other countries mentioned.

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There is a Hearts of Iron 4 mod for this.

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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
World War I was difficult to avoid, despite serving no one's interests.

It seems to me that most of its main results would have happened in some form without it as well. The three empires that fell, for instance, were not very likely to last much more in the first place.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire would perhaps take a lot longer and be that much more painful. The Middle East would have been organized differently today, but it is a toss up on whether that would be any better or worse.

The weapons race might have been affected, or then again it might not. It is not like there was not already a craving for excessive firepower before 1914.

Other than that, my main uncertainty is about the demographic consequences.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
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If Germany, the ottoman Empire, and their friends won World War 1, what would be different about our world in your opinion? Germany during World War 1 doesn't seem that bad to me, or at least no worse than their enemies the British Empire, Russian Empire, and arguably possibly no worse than America and France. The Ottoman Empire was terrible, but who knows if even they were worse than some of those other countries mentioned.

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The German emperor would not have blamed the Jews for their defeat and used that as an excuse for his military blunders.

This may have influenced Hitler as well.

The seeds of the second world war and current middle east crisis was sown in the first world war.
 
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