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If God is energy.

Valjean

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Humans have conscience, and most people like virtues like like peace, truth, kindness, justice, love, forgiverness, goodness. So it is a good argument for the existence of God.
These are not natural values. They're learned, socialized, values, and are paper -thin.

Why posit a magical personage designing this conscience, when there's a perfectly reasonable, familiar, tested source for it -- Natural Selection.
In-group loyalty, altruism, and coöperation was crucial to the survival of our species throughout the entirety of our existence. It was selected for, just as bipedalism or color vision was.

But the human conscience does not naturally extend beyond our natural societies -- small, hunter-gatherer bands. Moral consideration beyond our own band was not only useless, it hindered competition and aggression, so was not selected for.
 

Valjean

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Premium Member
A atheist believe the energy that made the universe is not concious. And theists believe the energy that made the universe is concious.
The energy that made the universe. There was energy" At the onset of the inflation?
And what about us atheists who believe that consciousness might be a natural feature of the universe, like gravity or the speed of light?
How did this SOURCE of everything come into existence?
Physics has not established any need for such a "source."
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It is a good argument for the existence of God. In my opinion.
God is personage, not a law of nature, or constant, which enable all the universe.

God has intelligence, desires, likes, dislikes, intentions, purpose. The inverse square law or conservation laws have none of these. The laws and constants of nature can be observed and measured, but there is no evidence whatever for any invisible magician, nor is there any need of one to explain anything.

"Goddidit" isn't an explanation. It proposes no mechanism. It's an assertion of agency, and appeal to magic.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Humans have conscience, and most people like virtues like like peace, truth, kindness, justice, love, forgiverness, goodness. So it is a good argument for the existence of God.
Other people may have pointed this out, but I am coming after four days. These are the necessities of any society to function. But in what way this proves the existence of God?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
How did this SOURCE of everything come into existence?
It is 2 possible ways SOURCE came into existence:
1. It has always existed with no beginning and no end.
2. Magically popped into existence from nothingness.
You see, the problem is this - theists believe in eternal existence of God. They do not give any reason for it. Atheists consider that to be special pleading. Since if atheists or any one else says that the universe is eternal, that too will be special pleading. The option of Creatio Ex-nihilo. There are indications for that, that is a scientific and mathematical possibility. But that too has to be proved conclusively. Till that time, atheists or scientists will say "We are working on that".
 
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