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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Trailblazer, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. Sheldon

    Sheldon Well-Known Member

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    Climate change is being caused by greenhouse gases being emitted into the atmosphere, the Covid pandemic is unrelated to this, it is not a warning sign of anything, it is an inevitable consequence of a massive human population, and global travel.
     
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    Who theories gods body in science dusts alchemies to convert then consume bodily? Naming it god in science?

    Men of science.

    So you own human science memories by machine causes accumulated causes as historic. A no God exists now as I theoried to remove it. Actually said science

    Asks us why we believe in God for as he never did consciously. He believed in gods consuming. By thesis and practice.

    Your consciousness is the same aware human says what it knows. God is gone. No God says the scientist just a human like the rest of us.

    As we are human first not God in science. So he coerces why I am right and you aren't. Yet he is wrong first.

    As God O is earth natural first heavens natural first. In science and no human.

    As it is the scientist we argue against how he thinks personally.

    He says I told you god didn't create you. We argue as God conditions attacked us by man's science causes.

    What a coercer is as a human in science.

    So we see him cause new sin holes. As old science also caused new sin holes. As you cannot repeat old science as it caused its own ends.

    So you tell him. He knows. Says he cares less if he caused the same natural disasters sink holes like he had before. It's science you know. Taught science by science as science.

    As science the practice is the destroyer of God. He knows you know. God never created you he says taking you off topic being informed.

    Does it every day.

    How he concludes he is correct in just science and not God terms. Yet science began as his terms historic. Lying as usual.
     
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    Climate change is due to gases burning by mass ice water evaporation earth cooling status.

    Science said the time shifted past equals answer had dinosaurs living in a greenhouse effect

    He never wanted to be here in now time. He even tells you he wants the eternal state for himself as the thinker claiming he owns it and can own it. Yet says he wants to remove his families eternal.

    It proves he is lying by thesis and self purpose. His owned deisation. Claiming he is the eternal form. As a human owning life by sex.

    The scientist as egotist does not conclude it is his scientist self making the false claims.

    When a natural human doesn't. We teach it is not accessible and is not known.

    He is an inventive creator and theories to cause it. By machine conditions.
     
  4. muhammad_isa

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    Both climate-change and covid are phenomena with similar causes.
    They are both global, and are signs that there is something fundamentally wrong.
    ..unless of course, you deem it "normal" for us all to be going around wearing niqab!?
     
  5. muhammad_isa

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    I never said anything about destroying anything..
    How would you expect me to do that, in any case?

    If people want to amass wealth, and consider themselves "clever" by exploiting others, then they will do so.
    It is only by realising that it is NOT clever and that they are the "destroyers", that we might make some progress with climate-change.
    I know you don't care for the truth. You have made that quite plain.
     
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    You say that covid is "an inevitable consequence of a massive human population, and global travel".

    Don't you think that the same factors are involved with climate-change?
     
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    Men of science claim time shift is returning to past human conditions.

    To cover wrap the body due to radiation burns. To keep it covered from radiation fall of man fallout.

    Why men and women wore cloaked clothing. Disease the same as today to wear masks not to breathe disease in.

    Muslim teaching...Muslim prophecy world condition. As a prophecy type of clothing. Reasoning about type of clothing was historic only.

    Humans innocent invent their own prophecy as a human warning is for humans.

    Why we said being a poor man made you spiritually richer than the rich men who caused it.
     
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    We look at things fundamentally differently.
    • We get pandemics a few times each century. And epidemics more often. I am not sure why you say it isn't normal. It isn't usual, but it is normal.
    • You claim that climate change and covid have similar causes, but do not identify them. COVID is caused by a virus. Global warming is caused by the fruits of industrialization and capitalism. I guess that you might argue that covid spread so fast because we have a global airline network, which is industrialization, but that seems to be stretching the meaning of 'cause'.
     
  9. muhammad_isa

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    Right..
    We have the Bubonic plague in [the 14the. century], with 75 - 200 million deaths.
    ..then we have the Spanish Flu' in [1918 20] with 17 - 100 million deaths.
    ..then we have HIV/AID in [1981 - present] with ~26 million deaths so far.
    ..then we have Covid in [2019 - present] with 5.4 - 20 million deaths so far.

    We can see that the last three major pandemics are closely grouped, with 2 of them in the 20th century and the other in early 21st.
    I say that there is an increase in major pandemics in this modern age, despite our increase in medical knowledge.
    I believe it is set to continue in the decades to come.

    There is a link between the pace of change, such as global air travel and multi-lane highways, and climate-change. The increase in disease is also correlated with the growing pollution due to the burning of fossil fuels, as well as the obvious ability to spread quickly.
     
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    Yup. Don't forget Sars from the early 2000s. And H1N1. SARS 1 in the 90s. Another flue strain the the 60s.

    There were four flu pandemic outbreaks in the mid 1800s. Some argue that it was four strains. Some argue that it was two.
    Smallpox, yellow fever and cholera in the 1700s. Plus some bizarre hotspots oof the plague.
    Bubonic Plague Pandemic Part II: The Sequel in the 1600s.
    1500s inter-regional flu pandemic, + small pox throw out the america. (thanks europe!)
    1400s Plagues hop scotched from region to region every year in the 1400s except 1419
    1300s Black death
    ad plaguim

    The known world has been in a constant state of epidemics and pandemics. for most of human history. There was a Sweating Sickness epidemic in England for 200 years, then it went away. What was it? No one knows. It may have been in Rome back in teh first century CE. Maybe.

    We dropped like flies for most of human history.
     
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    Include an existent God? I’m not asking what a worldview might include, I’m asking for an example of an entire world view.
    To act as if something does not exist is the default position. That would be the same as acting as if Santa, Vampires, elves, and life on other planets do not exist.
    How can you call not thinking about something a view?
    That is the origin of a worldview; not a description of it.
    If 2 people have the same worldview, would they share the same political opinions? Moral views? Sports Teams? The same taste in food? Art? Music? Beauty? etc.
    It sounds to me like what you are calling a worldview is not a single view, but thousands of views and opinions a person has on the countless issues he deals with in life. Is this correct? If not tell me where I’ve gone wrong with this.
     
  12. muhammad_isa

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    You are exaggerating. Nobody is saying that diseases haven't been around for yonks .. such as the 'common cold' or other virus.

    I'm referring to ones that are significant with a large number of deaths.

    Oh, really .. and that shows us .. what exactly?
     
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    I love how you dismiss the epidemics and pandemics of the significant viruses in an effort to force your preferred narrative.
     
  14. muhammad_isa

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    I'm not dismissing anything.
    It is you who are trying to dismiss the significance of the calamities that are unfolding before our eyes.

    ..and we all know why. You just want to show that nothing's changed, and life has always been a series of catastrophes bla bla.
     
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    Of course you are. You are trying to whitewash influenza, small pox, measles, diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, cholera, polio, bubonic plague and all of the other nasty infections that recur through populations, by minimizing them to merely "the common cold and other viruses."

    No. Things definitely have changed on the disease front. They are so much better now. For people half a generation older than me, polio was common place. The difference is observable at any multi-generational gathering.

    Even COVID is getting under control in the countries that are taking it seriously.
     
  16. muhammad_isa

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    ..so why are so many people experiencing "long covid" or post viral syndrome in general?
    Why are so many people in the world experiencing mental health problems?

    I think that you are the one that is "cherry picking" when it comes to presenting world health statistics.

    It might be that you see the world in the light that you do, because "you are alright Jack" .. I don't know.
    There must be some reason why you say what you do.

    Planetary health concerns itself with governance and stewardship which pose a threat to the sustainability of the human civilization, environment, and planet. Specifically, it seeks to confront three main types of challenges: "imagination challenges", such as failing to account for long-term human or environmental consequences of human progress; "research and information challenges", such as underfunding and lack of scope in research; and "governance challenges", such as delayed environmental action by governing bodies determined by unwillingness, uncertainty, or non-cooperation.
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    Biodiversity loss, exposure to pollutants, climate change, and fuel consumption are all issues that threaten human and climate health alike, and are, as such, foci of the field. A number of researchers think that it is actually humanity's destruction of biodiversity and the invasion of wild landscapes that creates the conditions for malarial, and new diseases such as COVID-19.

    Planetary health - Wikipedia

    I assume that you deny the above claims of correlation between covid and the environment?
    I think it was you who said there is no connection between climate-change and covid, wasn't it?
     
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    That is not the opposite of this:

    Basically, what you are claiming is that a single serious infectious virus in the present that we can do something about is far worse than the past with a dozen serious infectious viruses that we could not.

    What correlation? Your quote does not establish one.

    As I said before:
     
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    That's absurd. That's not what I'm saying at all.
    You just want to change the subject.

    ..thought so. Denied.
    I shan't waste any more time.
     
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    That is exactly the subject that I have been addressing the whole time. Read back through my posts. If you intended something different, then spell it out.
    If you knew what the correlation was, then you would articulate it. You are just feigning righteous indication as a cover for that lack. Good bye
     
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    I referred to this..

    Biodiversity loss, exposure to pollutants, climate change, and fuel consumption are all issues that threaten human and climate health alike, and are, as such, foci of the field. A number of researchers think that it is actually humanity's destruction of biodiversity and the invasion of wild landscapes that creates the conditions for malarial, and new diseases such as COVID-19.

    Is that supposed to mean that you disagree with that ref. to biodiversity, or that it just isn't worth even considering?
    What, exactly?

    David Attenborough seems to think that the loss of many animal species is due to loss of biodiversity, and what is causing that except for mankind's antics?
    ..the same as in climate-change..

    Can you please say explicitly what you are in disagreement about?
     
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