firedragon
Veteran Member
Okay, so if you "could" believe in an evil God, you have to make that a premise and answer the question. That's how hypothetical whatabout discussions work.
So is your God all knowing and all wise?
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Okay, so if you "could" believe in an evil God, you have to make that a premise and answer the question. That's how hypothetical whatabout discussions work.
So is your God all knowing and all wise?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I wouldn't know. I am an agnostic and to know if God is all knowing and all wise, I would need to be God, otherwise I couldn't know. And, no, I am not a God, so I know nothing about God.
So if God asked me to kill my child, I would consider God evil. I can only go by myself, since I am not God.
firedragon
Veteran Member
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, in your understanding of how to know. Mine is different. We are back to that we have different belief systems, when it comes to knowledge.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Irrelevant.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Here are 3 people:
#1: I know X is Y and not Z
#2: I know X is Z and not Y.
#3: I don't know in either case.
With logic 2 of them don't know, yet they are all 3 everyday world. That is the limit of knowledge for some cases.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Irrelevant mate.
See, I would say NO to both. Going back and killing Hitler as a child would still be immoral.
I don't see it as a matter of 'hard to follow'. I see it as a question of morality and a God that asks for child sacrifice isn't a good one. No matter what the reason.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
We know that a deity was depicted as wanting an adherent to follow that deity so blindly as to be willing to murder his own child. The bible demonstrates amply that the deity depicted does not forbid killing, but actively encourages it again and again, ethnic cleansing mass murder including infants and babies, and of course is depicted itself as committing indiscriminate mass murder, even genocide.
Tinker Grey
Wanderer
If you let your child live (even without God's command), there is a chance she will reject it and go to hell. Maybe you should abort all future pregnancies.
When you say "intelectually you know that you should sacrifice your child," what do you mean?
Are you going for something like "God could punish me in Hell forever for disobedience, so it's obviously in my self-interest to comply" or are you going for something like "God is infinitely wiser than me, so when he says I should do something, it's obvious I should trust his judgment "?
(Or something else?)
I think we need to keep in mind Genesis 22:5 because Abraham was expressing his belief in a physical resurrection when Abraham said, " I and the lad ..... come again to you " (Abraham and the lad Isaac )
They were so confident in the Resurrection Promise that they were willing to do as they thought God asked.
Since the Promised 'seed' aka Messiah was promised to come through Isaac then Isaac would have to be alive.
There is No reason today for God nor Jesus to ask an imperfect person to sacrifice because perfect Jesus already balanced the Scales of Justice for us.
We can't undo the damage Adam caused us but a sinless Jesus could and did undo what Adam lost for us.
Often today we see governments wanting child sacrifice, corrupted clergy even using the pulpit as a recruiting station so parents will sacrifice the life of their sons on the Altar of War as it that is the same thing as the Altar of God which it is not.
God was letting Abraham and Isaac demonstrate their faith in a physical resurrection.
They knew they would be back according to Genesis 22:5. So, they were willing to go through with the sacrifice.
They knew the promise that Messiah (seed) would come through Isaac so Isaac would have to be alive to do that.
However, false clergy ask parents to sacrifice their sons on the Altar of War as if it is the same as the Altar of God.
Sure, because Satan is the 'god' of this world of badness - 2 Corinthians 4:4
Sinner Satan now misleads the world according to Revelation 12:12; Revelation 12:9
InChrist
Free4ever
No, because the only god who would command such a thing at this point is the god of this world; the devil.
an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
Do you think that that takes away from "Abraham's faith" at all? If he knew ahead of time...
leroy
Well-Known Member
Well in the example, we are assuming that it is morally ok to kill the individual.... so the question "shluld you kill him" is a tautology and you should answer yes.
Well i bet that atleast hypothetically you can think on many scenarios where killing a child is morally ok. (Trolly problems come to mind)
So if its logically possible to ethically sacrifice a child
And god cant command unethical stuff
Then it follows that sacrificing a child would morally ok. And therefore one should follow the command.
But as i said before, the fact that I should do something doesn't imply that I would do it. (Which is why I voted NO)
leroy
Well-Known Member
With "intelectually " i mean that you have good rational reasons to sacrifice your child. Or that intelectually you arrived at the conclusion that it is morally ok to sacrifice him . (Hypothetical Trolly problems would be an example)
The point that I made is that under those situations you should sacrifice your child, but in the real world chances say that you wouldn't.
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1 if you are virtually 100% sure that God excist and that he has all the "omni" atributes
2 you are virtually 100% sure that he commanded you to sacrifice your child
3 then you should sacrifice your child/ // but in reality chances say that you wouldn't do it.
Sure. From a parent's perspective, as long as:
- Heaven is clearly better than life on Earth,
- it's certain that, if your child dies, they'll end up in Heaven, and
- you're sure that God won't punish you for murder...
... it's rational to murder your child, even if most of us would probably be physically incapable of doing it.
I'm more interested in God's perspective: why would God's purposes be better served by a parent killing their child than not.
... because you presume that an "omni" God would have a good reason to ask you to kill your child?
What could this reason be?