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Featured If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. URAVIP2ME

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    i agree, ' nothing will ever be the same ' but as to ' where this will take the world....' is found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
    The powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." but that rosy-looking time will be full of thorns because that 'saying' will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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  2. rational experiences

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    The history of science.

    Natural humans first...no science.

    Science theoried by men for design for machine for reaction.

    False God.

    O God natural. A planet formed in as space womb. Basic.

    It's heavens owned by its own entity. A planet natural.... you theory science human is abstract you think planet only.

    We live however inside a heavenly body highest consciousness claiming we own it.

    Basic human advice

    Yet God O planet owned it.

    So you quote as a human no man is God.

    Basic information.

    Science technology practiced. Egyptians.

    Humans in the era involved in trade owned temples...science buildings were involved.

    Community were not historic named a Jew.

    Mayan civilization destroyed same technology.

    Memorium. Humans take group title from life incidences always had

    Argument group men agreement versus the single man.

    Theme. Group consciousness went against one natural self. Self one original consciousness. Holy state. Natural first and one.

    Argument Jew to Christian...
    It happened to a mass of humans. Not just one man you know. Don't preach falsely.

    The actual human history reason for animosity.

    All in the teaching review. Teach correctly then are taught correctly.
     
  3. URAVIP2ME

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    Sabbath keeping ended with the Constitution of the Mosaic Law - Romans 10:4; Romans 7:6
    Since Pentecost please notice who is Now a Jew, a 'spiritual Jew', Not one by fleshly descent - Romans 2:28-29; 1 Corinthians 7:19
    A spiritual Jew who is a member anywhere on Earth of the ' Israel of God ' - (spiritual Israel) - Galatians 6:16.
    Jerusalem ' above ' is now mother, now the seat of government in the heavens - Galatians 4:26
    The Christian congregation ' spiritual Israel ' is a nation without borders or boundaries and Not located on any map 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5
     
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    The inhumane science self in the past is a taught human story.

    The teaching was about how a group science mentality harmed the one human body holy life

    Was a teaching.

    The description what happened to the human form flesh blood bones in heavens gases spirits held by mother womb space.

    Natural heavens

    Remove highest gas presence pressurized in stone as the jewel. Or Atlantis crystal of God mass. The heavenly gases changed. Atlantis sAtanlit.

    Which proved all human life as one holy body were harmed in mass. Not just one self were attacked in the mass body. Yet all humans are just one equal same self. Human.

    How it was taught.

    One writer however compiled one story on one study. And always one teacher a self is involved.

    Yet that teacher quoted do not think my life personally special. It happened to us all. Was the teaching.
     
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    Well, I'm not really 'impressed' with Biblical religion, if by 'impressed' we mean that I find them 'maximally' spiritually compelling. And I think, perhaps controversially, that religion is obligated to be spiritually compelling, in a maximal way. I think I would find them most compelling were I living in the times were the action was, in the biblical times. I think however, that someone should still practice Biblical religions because they are still somewhat compelling. There's obviously a lot there for someone to spend their life studying and incorporating into worship, and it's well worth the use of a life
     
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    One life. A self thinking.

    What the use of a life means as self. As the human one self is saying it.

    Yet equal humans considered not equal the fallacy. How the human interacts.

    Doing a spiritual assessment is to ask. Word user are you using words correctly,?

    Rational.

    You say as one human speaker in behalf of all one humans that your words quote equality.

    Role play.....
    We therefore all serve each other. In that life role play.

    Thinking begins states human father human mother.

    Equal

    Have equal babies. First review male is not as a man human equal to female suffering for life continuance.

    I will therefore honour her....and state the matriarch is first in suffering.

    I then serve her. I tend to her human needs.

    Taught service to humanity by my holy human mother.

    We grow old together. Living family.

    Now they serve us. Children role.

    Life perfectly balanced for its needs.

    We serve each other in needed roles for extended communal society.

    Introduced additional family support in community needs.

    Spiritual services.
     
  7. Pilgrim Soldier

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    Our generation is the first to have the technology to enslave people worldwide.
    Many of the past Antichrist rulers tried to take over the world but they never had the technology to facilitate them, but the technology is now available
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    We can now see a stark division between two kinds of people, those who are not willing to surrender their freedom of choice and those who are willing to surrender everything into the hands of the government in exchange for peace and security
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    The global government tells us that they have our best interests at heart, and most people trust them so they are ready to obey their directives. Those who resist the world government will be labelled as enemies and they won't be able to access any government unemployment benefits.

    I believe the "mark of the Best" is more of a spiritual mark than a physical one. I think people will be divided by what they believe and stand for. And the final battle of mankind may be more of a spiritual war, rather than a nuclear exchange.
     
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    I agree, No nuclear exchange because God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
    Stark division too as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37 between figurative humble sheep and haughty goats.
    Agree, No literal 'mark of the beast' but as our hands and foreheads are seen where we are clearly marks us.
    Armageddon is the war to end all wars - Psalms 46:9
     
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    This is kinda steering the thread off topic. What do you mean .. Maybe you could create a thread on this ? You know a major problem is that the earth (which is generally a souled, living thing to the animist) likely won't support great leaps of individuality for all that much longer , as far as I can tell. Not with this many billions of people crowding her. It's nothing we have to take a negative view on, like some may start doing as they recognize this. When we have to start collaborating again as pack animals, and recognize what the planet is saying, I think it will give us all a renewed sense of service. The world doesn't have to go through a low point, in my spiritual view. Why trust the nightmare of a random individual several thousand years ago, when they predicted an end to the world? Billions of people have probably had similar dreams, but just as many people have had fantastic dreams as well. But I that Biblical religions helped teach us civility, at best. That can be integrated into the human dna going into the future, I think
     
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    It just so happens that billions of people believe in this random individual from several thousands of years ago. He promised to destroy the world again, when He returns (which could be any day now)

    The last time He killed billions of men women and children with a flood, this time He is going to use super hot lava. He promised to melt the whole earth and kill everything on it, then He will create a brand new world, so this is why I don't care about pollution or climate change, it's just as wise as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while it sinks.
     
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    consider that you are a) pointing out that billions can apparently also be wrong , and b) defining 'freedom of choice' in a way in which we apparently have no choice
     
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    I refer to those billions of God's children, from every age since the beginning. Not a single one of these did anything to cause God to chose them for salvation.
    Each one was chosen by God and God is the One who transforms them from a reprobate state into a Saint.

    Satan and His Demons have no chance of deceiving Gods children and causing them to lose their salvation, So if they can't nobody else can since Satan is the most wise and powerful creature in the universe.
    This is why Jesus said, nobody is able to snatch them out of My hand.
     
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    Now I think we've leaped even farther down the free-will spectrum into something like calvinism? I think in the "tulip" method there was something about that , how the chosen cannot go down to hell. Likewise, some are people are born to go to it , according to john calvin. I think I like tovia singer's point however, in his video on where judaism and christianity differ regarding satan: God created angels before man, that have no free-will, satan included (he obviously follows god's will in the book of job) , and then man is created afterword, as an agent with free-will. So therefore man has to choose good over evil, and would have a harder job than angels would. You're claim, and calvin's claim, pretty much make men into angels. But god already made angels before man
     
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    i'm not sure what you get out of misrepresenting what Calvin said, but he never claimed that anyone is created to be cast into hell.
    You have forgotten a very important elephant in the room. God never created anyone to be cast into hell, He created the lake of fire for Satan and His Demons but He has no other choice than to cast sinners in there as well.

    You guys try to accuse God of injustice because He doesn't choose to save all sinners, but He only save His elect. God answered His accusers by saying "Haven't I the right to do what I will with my own", God fully owns you me and every speck of dust in the universe. Everything is His and everything is in full submission to Him and everything is under His full control.

    Nothing can happen in the universe unless He wills it, so the whole of human history is predestined from the begging of time to the end of time.
     
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    However, I find it it is the world of badness and Not the literal Earth. Remember: Earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
    Not super-hot lava but as Isaiah wrote at Isaiah 11:3-4 it will be the -> 'executional words from Jesus' mouth' to destroy the wicked.
    Jesus with angelic armies - Revelation 19:15.
    Please notice how Jesus will act at the soon coming time of 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.
    For the false religious leaders are the composite 'man of lawlessness' the ' son of perdition' - 2 Thessalonians 3:-4
    They (he) seats himself in the ' temple ' (houses of worship) as if he is God when in reality they the ones who are anti-God.

    I find we are to show we care about Earth (Genesis 1:28; 2:15) thus we can show we even care by Not littering.
    This does Not mean we take up Earth Day worship causes that are often too BIG to handle.
    That would be like you say, " rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while it sinks." (<- that's a good one !)
    Rather, we are to focus about telling the world about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) just as Jesus said to do at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
    Instead of lava, I find we are facing a soon coming ' time of separating ' on Earth as described at Matthew 25:31-33,37.
    Not Earth removed or damaged, but the figurative haughty ' goats ' removed or perished - 2 Peter 3:9
     
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    To me what is ' predestined', so to speak, is 'Earth abides forever' - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalms 78:69; Psalms 104:5; Psalms 119:90.
    From the begging or beginning of time on Earth (meaning Eden's time) there will be No end of time for God given Earth - Psalms 115:16 B.
    God formed Earth Not to have His creation destroyed but to always be inhabited - Isaiah 45:18.
    For each day we can count we can count both forwards and backwards forever and ever, so eternity is in our hearts and minds.
    What will end are people who refuse to repent will perish, the wicked 'destroyed forever' - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; 2 Peter 3:9.
    Thus, the mild, humble meek people will inherit the Earth that remains forever - Psalms 37:9-11,29; Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21-22
     
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    Right, Nobody (Satan included) is able to snatch them (us) ..... but only the person himself would have to remove himself.
    This is why I find Jesus said we must endure to the end to be 'saved' at Matthew 24:13; Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13; Revelation 2:10 B.
    Even the apostle Paul was concerned that he could loose out according to 1 Corinthians 9:27.
    Please also notice the warning given us at 1 Corinthians 10:12 to take heed lest one might fall (away).
     
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    God won't make this planet just disappear, so it will abide forever but god will melt it with white hot lava and renew it. It like a forest fire burns up all the trees then it grows a new forest better than the previous one.

    Believers will spend eternity on the new planet so it will be perfect in every way. No more oceans, no more sun, and the streets will be paved with pure gold.

    I'm not suggesting that we trash the world, but I don't believe in any made made climate change since the earth doesn't even know we are here. The earth can easily sustain 40 billion people as it currently is, but it will sustain much more than that when the deserts and oceans are removed.
     
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    John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world (cosmos) that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life"
    The word "word" means cosmos in the bible, so it's referring to the whole created order including the stars and moons etc.
    So God came into the world as Jesus to purchase His creation back from the prince of this world Satan. He purchased His elect and the planet, but the planet and His people need to die and then be rebuilt (recreated) back to perfection.
    Why would God leave the planet defiled by wicked sinners and give it to His children after He sends unbelievers to the lake of fire. Why wouldn't He recreate everything to perfection, it simple for Him to do all He needs to do is speak and it is done.
     
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    You misquoted Jesus. He never said "we must endure to the end" He knows that it's impossible for fallen wicked sinners to endure to the end. He was making an observation saying "He who endures to the end shall be saved" He was teaching His disciples how to identify a true believer.
    A true believer doesn't endure to the end, the Holy Spirit which abides in the true believer gives the true believer the strength and power to endure to the end and that's how we can tell the reprobate false professors from the true believers.
    Paul was just making the point that He needs the gospel to save him just as much as those who he preaches to need it. He was making the point that the Pope of Rome needs the gospel just as much as Hitler.
     
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