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Featured If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. Meandflower

    Meandflower Active Member

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    If Christianity is the truth then Judaism is also the truth, Why? Because Judaism is the original, first Abrahamic religion. Without Judaism, Christianity would never have existed.

    This also applies to Islam and the Baha'i. Without Judaism, the two religions would not have existed. Therefore, Judaism is definitely the truth

    What do you think about that?
     
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  2. PureX

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    I don't think Christianity was ever intended to become a religion.

    Jesus was Jew, and he remained a Jew until he died. And Jews then and now do not believe that anyone else needs to become a Jew to be aright with God. So Jesus was not preaching adherence to any religion, except as a Jew preaching to his fellow Jews. To the rest of us he was simply preaching a spiritual revelation. Modern day Christians who think they are supposed to adhere to Old Testament religiosity because "Jesus said so" are very confused, and I think, quite wrong. They are imposing religiosity where Jesus had no intention of imposing it.

    Christianity was simply a spiritual revelation that was applicable to Jews, non-Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, and whomever else with "ears to hear". It was not intended, by Jesus, to become a religion of it's own.
     
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    In Judaism, Jesus is a convicted criminal (however the Pilat has announced, that Jesus is
    completely innocent).
     
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    Christianity: Jesus is the Messiah
    Judaism: Jesus is not the Messiah

    It doesn't seem that both can be true.
     
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    No, but Christianity needs Judaism to have been true at one time in order for it (Christianity) to exist now.
     
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  6. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I think our religion revolves around Jesus Christ, so our interpretation of the OT is pretty different.
    Theirs is another interpretation, which is more thorough and complete.
    Our theology almost entirely focuses on the New Testament.
     
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  7. Meandflower

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    Both can true at the same time. How? I will explain it now to you.

    I believe both judaism and christianity is true. I believe God have different convenants with different people.

    God wants Jews to follow the Tanakh/old testament and Talmud. Because that is God's covenant with the Jews.

    At the same time God has made a new covenant with christians. God wants christians to follow the new testament.

    Catholic believe the same.
    "While affirming salvation through an explicit or even implicit faith in Christ," the Vatican document reads, "the Church does not question the continued love of God for the chosen people of Israel."
     
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  8. Israel Khan

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    Not actually. If what Christianity claims about the Tanakh is true, then modern Judaism definitely is not true. It would mean that Judaism has been corrupted in its teachings since the last book of the OT was written. But original beliefs of the Israelites would be true.

    If Islam is true, then both modern Judaism and modern Christianity are a corrupted form of their original teachings.

    The Baha'i have various views so that is complicated.
     
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  9. Israel Khan

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    I would say that you are using the wrong words here. You are conflating what God wishes people to believe with what is true. For instance if Christianity is telling the truth, then Jesus died for the sins of mankind. That would mean that Judaism is not true, because Jews deny the truth of the importance of Jesus death. But if God wishes the Jews to follow that belief and not believe the truth of the matter, it means that he doesn't want them to follow truth.
     
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    Jesus was Jewish as were His Disciples. The authors of the NT books were all most likely Jewish. The Gospel of Matthew has over sixty references to the Tanakh. Christianity couldn’t have existed without Judaism. That is as clear as the noon day sun.

    Muhammad make references to about 50 biblical characters in the Quran. In the Quran He refers to Jesus, Moses, the Gospel and Torah many times. It is clearly dependent on a belief that Judaism and Christianity were correct at one time and we’re from God. As Christianity emerged from Judaism the Baha’i Faith emerged from Islam.

    As said by another, if Christianity was true then Judaism was true at some time. Christianity believes Jesus to have been the Jewish Messiah as Promised in the Tanakh and the Son of God. Judaism rejects these claims. So although both may have been true at one time they cannot both be true now in regards the significance of Jesus.
     
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    It should be a complement that Christians consider themselves Jews.
     
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    It isn't.
     
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  13. Cooky

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    Seems selfish.

    ...And overly confrontational.
     
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    If the Bible is supposed to be true, that kills both religions.
     
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    The expulsions ... the pogroms ... the ovens: if you folks loved us any more we'd have all been purged from the earth ...

    ... and you have the unmitigated gall to whine about us being confrontational.​
     
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    When did that start? I didn't see a lot of them sewing yellow stars on their garments as our grandparents were being being exterminated.
     
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    I don't believe this is the case at all. It is clear in the bible that God has only one truth, His truth. For one thing, He did not make a new covenant with Christians, the new covenant spoken of in Jeremiah was only made with the houses of Judah and Israel.

    31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

    YHWH is one God, He has one truth, therefore anything that goes against that cannot be truth. Israel is YHWH's people, that includes literal physical descendants, as well as people who, like Ruth, Rahab, etc., come into covenant with YHWH thereby becoming a part of Israel.
    To say that God wants Christians to do one thing and Jews to to do another is inconsistent with the bible and His character. The Torah is righteousness (Deu 6:25), so for Christians to say that the law is done away with is wrong, along with quite a few other things. YHWH dies not have two standards of righteousness. I personally do believe in Yeshua as the messiah, but I certainly don't think he did away with the torah.
     
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    Totally incompatible. The beliefs are different, the Tanakh has one translation and understanding the Jews have while the Christians have their interpretations and understands of the OT, and the whole Jesus thing is rejected by the Jews, Messiah to the Christians and prophet to the Muslims. And each new one tends to think the last got it wrong.
     
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    Well personally, I've always idolized the Jews... I'm the biggest Jew wannabe you've ever met!
     
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