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Featured If an entity offered you as an atheist an after life after you lived, would that interest you

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ideogenous_mover, Dec 25, 2019.

  1. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Yes, well those are really quite human sorts of things to wonder. The importance of this moment right now as it relates to the universe is anyone's guess, it's not more of anyone's guess out there beyond the curtain of corporeality. You don't really know how you reached your current state, do you. You don't really know how you are conscious right now. The entity recognizes something worthy in your experience of human activity, and merely offers you continuance. By inference, you should sort of know a few things about what you are getting into, as existence is not new to you.
     
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    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    What if your 'soul' was in such a position that it simultaneously felt all the disparate senses of every living creature on a planet? Like you were the sense center of all of that biomass, a mind or soul in the middle of a planet.. That would be cowish in the most interesting way possible, possibly
     
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    Maybe the life of the individual of any species is built around the same basic formula ─ survive long enough to reproduce, and you've done the only thing important in the longer run that you'll ever do. For example, the only reason you and I are here is because every single one of our ancestors got that part right across three and a half billion years of life on earth.
     
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  4. Scott C.

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    As one who believes in eternal life and that we will be happy and busy and not bored forever, I'll admit I've thought about what you just said. What could be so wonderful that one would never get bored? Afterall, forever is a long, long time. I don't believe the answer is in being altered to become someone who we are not now. I believe it has to do with the fact that we are eternal beings, now having a temporary mortal experience. We now live in a finite and mortal realm which is not our natural home. When we die, we will see and understand eternity much better, without becoming a new person. It will be more that these temporary mortal blinders have been removed. My two cents on the mysteries of eternity.
     
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  5. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    To be sincere, I think that such an entity would be far too humanlike to be trustworthy, at least at first.
     
  6. Hockeycowboy

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    So...you really don't want to meet your progeny, continuing on and on ? Only for '100,000 years'?

    I find it hard to believe that.
     
  7. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Well, I have one daughter who isn't genetically mine. So I have no 'progeny' and am quite happy about that fact.

    I am more interested in what the math will look like in 300 years than I am in any progeny I would have. I am not particularly interested in my ancestors, either.
     
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    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    I'll go further. We measure dark matter by its gravitational interactions. I would consider that as *direct* a measurement as when we detect a neutrino from its interaction with chlorine atoms to give a flash. In both cases, our detection is based on an interaction that tells us information about the target.

    For that matter, when we see a star, that is also 'indirect' because it is the interaction of the matter of the star with electromagnetism and the propagation of the light to us that gives us the information. In this sense, *all* detection is 'indirect': all detection is based on some interaction.

    Now, what we *don't* know is the *composition* of dark matter. We *do* know where it is, how massive it is, that it doesn't interact with electromagnetism strongly, and several other things about it. We just don't know what it is made from.
     
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  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    That deserves a winner a like an informative and a useful but could only give it one frube.
     
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    Well, there you go! Imagine the new technologies that will result! Ones that you could help invent. Safe ones.

    Take care.
     
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    ^^ Ditto
     
  12. Falvlun

    Falvlun Earthbending Lemur
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    yeah, but the question Scott asked was whether you could conceive of *any* eternal existence you’d like.

    How do you know meaningful existence would be exhausted? In my scenario, I hypothesized that at the ultimate end of experience, you merge with a universal consciousness, just enjoying the bliss of being. But what if you are given another alternative? After experiencing everything there is to experience in this universe, you are then given an infant universe to create as it’s god. The possibilities are truly endless— so again, I ask, is it just lack of imagination?

    And again, why worry about “I” eventually being lost? You lose “I” either way. The only difference is that you can either lose it now, immediately, or in like a couple hundred thousand years (if at all— you are turning down eternal existence on an *assumption*). If you believe you will ultimately lose it, why not enjoy being “I” for a little longer?
     
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  13. Hockeycowboy

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    To accept, you’d have to already be living.
     
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    The question is then, can you eventually get bored of being at the highest level joyful for eternity? Having the same feeling for all eternity might not be all that great. Keep in mind that no matter what new experience you get, the feeling of being joyful is the same.
     
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