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Milton Platt
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A good education, a lay understanding of the results scientific enquiry, the stories collected in the Bible, historical behavior of those that follow religions, logic...........
But it must be remembered that babies are not born worshiping a deity. They must be indoctrinated.
My family was non-religious, as well, or at least didn’t participate, so I could grow up unaffected and search without preconcieved concepts about gods.
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
ok I appreciate your honest answer bro
Not really....the Bible explains itself, so you would have to look at context. An easy example: if I say “Earth”, what would you think of? The planet, right? And many times in the Scriptures, it means just that, the planet. Now read Genesis 11:1. Is it the planet spoken of here, or is it the people on it?
So earth can be symbolic of people.
Context is very important!
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
Context is Everything unfortunately no matter how intelligent a person my be doesn't excuse laziness when looking for proper context
Hmm.
But it's good ─ encouraging, uplifting ─ to have heroes, people you'd like to be like (when you're young), people you've always admired (when you're older). How does that differ from youthfully going nuts and filling up with adrenalin because your hero's a pop star?
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
How can a bible give false teaching?
If the bible isn't an absolute truth then who has the absolute truth to challenge it?
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
the bible doesn't teach false teachings, the men who manipulate it based on lack of context or willfully using it to their power or gain teach false Teachings. For example I can use fire to either light up a room so I can see or I can burn down my house
Sun worship, see it in full reverence any hot summer afternoon at a public beach or park.
The worship of money and materialism is common.
Truth : that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
Some parts of the bible can be identified as fact or really happening. But not all.
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
well let me give an example of a false teaching that an Atheist I know made him not believe in God. he was taught its God will that evil things like rape and murder happen that God Causes things to happen that when a child dies God needs another angel. Bible truth
James 1:13
"13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. "
Ecclesiastes 9:11,12
"11. The swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.12 For man does not know his time. Just as fish are caught in an evil net and birds are caught in a trap, so the sons of men are ensnared in a time of disaster, when it suddenly overtakes them.”
All i can say to this is omnipotence. If one believes that an omnipotent god made the world and all it contains then that god must surely be responsible for the bad he created as well as the good.
I have often heard the argument that god created all but humans cause childhood leukemia etc. That argument nullifies omnipotence.
Neither of those are “false” uses of fire. Fire really does both of those things.
It would be perfectly valid for someone to say that you should be careful using fire to light up a room because by doing that, you stand a real risk of burning down your house.
Same with water symbolism in baptism. Water is life giving, can't live without it, its also a destructive power.
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
I appreciate that correction but I'm making the point that a false teaching can have terrible effects on a human hence the atheist losing faith just like a fire can have terrible results if misused. If you teach Bible truths The atheist May obtain and uphold his faith just like using fire in a good way can have good use. I appreciate it logic and I'll be more careful when using that example so I appreciate it
Atheism is not a faith, like not collecting stamps is not a hobby.
Atheist : a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
No faith is required to lack belief.
In that respect and assuming you are monotheist then you are almost as atheist as me. Of the thousands of gods you disbelieve or lack belief in all but one.
LiveByFaithNotSight
The Art Of Conversing
explain further please I don't understand
My error, i should have written omniscient.
If a creator god is omniscient then that god knows the consequences of his actions.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Certainly, some parts are symbolic, some are poetry, some is wisdom literature, some is lamentation etc..
If you can't accept an absolute Truth then you are free to believe Derrida et al who hold there's no truth
in anything - it's all just matter of opinion. I wonder where that's going to lead us.
Truth is not opinion but fact or reality
I am quite happy accepting factual events, observable or measurable reality as truth. Im not comfortable with the idea of bible is truth because the bible says so without proof.