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Featured Identifying the 144,000

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Deeje, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. The Anointed

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    Faithofchristian wrote...…. According to what Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation the tribe of Benjamin wasn't destroyed.

    The Anointed...….The tribe of Israel was destroyed when every man woman and child were slaughted by the Israelite, the only survivors of that war were the 600 Danite, who were forced to live in the hill country of Benjamin.

    Faithofchristian wrote......… As Paul himself is of the tribe of Benjamin, so the tribe of Benjamin was not destroyed.

    The Anointed...…. Paul was a member of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin that was counted from the children of the Benjaminite women who had married into the tribe of Judah before the war in which the tribe of Benjamin was destroyed.


    Faithofchristian……… Romans 11:1--" I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin"

    So therefore the tribe of Benjamin was not destroyed.

    The Anointed...…. Paul, a prisoner in Rome until he died there, was the son of a Roman mother and a father from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, who was chosen by the glorified Jesus to gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the 12,000 from the Lost tribe of Benjamin.


    Faithofchristian wrote...….. That even in the book of Revelation 7:8, the tribe of Benjamin is found written and was not destroyed.


    The Anointed...….. Revelation, reveals the 12,000 chosen by Paul from the descendants of Dan's daughter 'Hushim' whose children were sired by Shaharaim, from the tribe of Benjamin.
     
  2. Faithofchristian

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    Again I will say, The tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed.

    If you had read the book of Judges correctly you would haved found in
    chapter 20 verse 47, that 600 men turned and fled into the wilderness unto the rock of Rimmon,

    Therefore the tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed, As you think it was.

    For 600 men escape and fled into the wilderness,
    Judges 20:47---"But six hundred men turned and fled to the wilderness unto the rock Rimmon, and abode in the rock Rimmon four months"

    There you have it that the whole tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed.

    As there were 600 men that fled into the wilderness.of not being killed.
    So the tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed.
     
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    The whole tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed As you think.

    Had you read the book of Judges correctly, you would haved found in chapter
    20 verse 47, that 600 men fled into the wilderness and was not killed.

    So therefore the whole tribe of Benjamin was not completely destroyed As you think
     
  4. The Anointed

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    Again I will say.........Of all the people in the land of Benjamin, the only survivors, were 600 men from the tribe of Dan, who were unable to remove the original inhabitants in the coastal Plains that had been allocated to them, and were forced to live in the hill country with their brother tribe of Benjamin, See Judges 1: 34; “The Armorites forced the people of the tribe of Dan into the hill country and would not let them come down to the plains.”

    Those six hundred Danites, who were the descendants of Hushim the adopted daughter of Dan and Shaharaim the Benjaminite, who had taken refuge at the Rock of Rim-mon, in the coastal country that had been allocated to the tribe of Dan, were given 600 virgin wives, and after Phinehas, the grandson of Aaron was given the Benjaminite city of Gibeah, and the land of Benjamin was taken over by the tribe of Judah, the 600 Danites, with their wives, their children and all their belongings, [This was all that was left of the entire tribe of Dan] Moved north in search of territory that they could call their own, and after taking the priest of Micah, ‘Jonathan’ the grandson of Moses and second cousin to Phinehas, as their priest with the silver idol of Micah, which I believe was that of an eagle, they moved into the land of Sidon, and killed all the peaceful inhabitants of the town of Laish and renamed it ‘DAN.’

    And in the ships of Dan, they later became seafaring merchants, creating the city of Rome.

    The tribe of Benjamin had been destroyed, and a pseudo tribe was created from the children of Benjaminite women who had married into the tribe of Judah before the war in which the tribe was destroyed.

    Later on, after the northern tribes revolted against Rehoboam the son of Solomon, we read in 1 Kings 12: 21; "When rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he called together 180,000 of the best soldiers from Judah and Benjamin. But those were of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, as only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to David’s descendants."

    For we read in the previous verse, 1 Kings 12: 20; When the people of Israel heard that Jeroboam had returned from Egypt, they invited him to a meeting of the people and made him king of Israel. ONLY THE TRIBE OF JUDAH REMAINED LOYALTO DAVID’S DESCENDANTS. The children of the Benjaminite women who had married into the tribe of Judah before the was in which the tribe of Benjamin was destroyed, were the pseudo tribe of Benjamin.

    So there you go sunshine, although the 600 survivors who were Danites, were actually descendants of Shaharaim the Benjaminite, there were not of the tribe of Benjamin, as they were Born descendants from Dan’s sister and adopted daughter 'Hushim', through whom the tribe of Dan was counted.

    The Anointed…….. Benjamin the 12 th son of Israel was lost, and for this reason ‘JUDAS Iscariot’ the 12th disciple chosen by Jesus was destined to be lost.

    The name ‘Iscariot’ means “Man of Kerioth” and Hazor-Kerioth was the Land given to the pseudo tribe of Benjamin after their return from the Babylonian captivity.

    Jesus had chosen the 12 Disciples, and it was the glorified Jesus, who chose Paul as the replacement to Judas Iscariot, the other apostles did not have that authority.

    Paul who died as a prisoner in Rome, was the Son of a Roman mother and a father from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, and it was he, who Jesus chose to gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the 12,000 Benjaminites, as recorded in Revelation 7: 4-8..
     
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    Before proceeding any further, Show as to where the tribe of Dan is even made mentioning of in the book of Judges chapters 19-20
    And show where the tribe of Dan is made mention of in the book of Revelation 7:4-8

    Dan is not there in Judges 19-20 nor the book of Revelation 7:4-8.
    The tribe of Dan does not exist no longer.
     
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    Faithofchristian wrote………..Before proceeding any further, Show as to where the tribe of Dan is even made mentioning of in the book of Judges chapters 19-20.

    The Anointed……If you had ever studied the scriptures, which obviously you haven’t, you would know that the tribe of Dan was unable to remove the original habitant from the land that had been allocated to them, as seen in Judges 1: 34; “The Armorites forced the people of the tribe of Dan into the hill country and would not let them come down to the plains.” The hill country in which the tribe of Dan was forced to live, was the country that had been allocated to the tribe of Benjamin.

    You would also have noticed in Judges 17; that a man named Micah lived in the hill country of Ephraim and he had a silver idol which I believe was that of an Eagle, which was prominent in the mountainous country of Ephraim, and the Eagle was much later, to become the Standard of Rome.

    This Man ‘Micah’ also had a young Levite priest whose woman was raped and sodomized to death by some no good sexual perverts from the tribe of Benjamin in the city of Gibeah. It was this event that caused the Israelites to attack and destroy every man, woman, and child in the Land of Benjamin, where the only survivors who lived in the land of Benjamin, were the 600 fighting men, who had taken refuge at the Rock of Rim-mon which was in the coastal plain that had been allocated to the tribe of Dan.

    Those 600 fighting men from the tribe of Dan, who received the seventh Blessing from Jacob and the seventh allotment in the promised Land were given 600 virgins, 400 hundred of which were the female descendants of Dinah, whose descendants were from Shechem by whom she had been raped as a 12 year-old girl.

    Although Dan was actually the 5th son sired by Jacob, because Leah, the first and only true wife of Israel, had birthed 6 sons to Jacob, they had to receive the first 6 blessing, while Dan the 5th born received the seventh blessing.

    Dinah, the twin sister to Zebulun, was the actual seventh born child of Leah and was said to have been born on the seven hour of the seventh day of the seventh month, of the seventh Jubilee, divided the 6 sons of Leah from the six sons of the other three women in Jacob’s life.

    But the connection between the number seven and Jesus, the eleventh of the seventh born sons of Adam, would be beyond your ability to understand, at this point in your evolution to the throne where Jesus now sits.

    Jesus was 70 generations from Enoch the seventh from Adam, see the genealogy of Jesus as recorded in Luke. This means that Jesus was the eleventh of the seventh born son from Adam. Ten completed the cycle, 10+1 begins the new cycle. But that’s another piece of the Hidden Manna.

    Those 600 fighting men who were the sole survivors from the land of Benjamin, that was later occupied by the tribe of Judah, then took their 600 wives, which had been given to them with the children that had been born to them, with all their possessions (This was the entire tribe of Dan) and they weren’t coming back.

    Before moving into the land of Sidon, they stopped at the house of Micah, whose priest was ‘Jonathan’ the Levite grandson of Moses, whose dead concubine was the cause of the war in which all the men, women and children in the land of Benjamin were butchered. After convincing Jonathan to steal Micah’s silver idol and become their priest, they then moved into the land of Sidon the first born of Canaan and attack and murdered all the peaceful inhabitants of the town of Laish, and renaming that town ‘DAN.”

    Faithofchristian…….wrote And show where the tribe of Dan is made mention of in the book of Revelation 7:4-8. Dan is not there in Judges 19-20 nor the book of Revelation 7:4-8. Judges 17
    The tribe of Dan does not exist no longer.


    The Anointed…….. You will find that the 12,000 Benjaminites in Rev 7: 4-8, are the descendants of Shaharaim the Benjaminite husband of Hushim, the first born child of Reuben, from the rape of Bilhah the mother of the sterile Dan, who, after the death of his mother Adopted his little sister ‘HUshim’, from whom the tribe of Dan was counted.

    And it was Paul, who Jesus chose to replace Judas Iscariot the 12th disciple who was destined to be lost as was the 12th tribe of Israel. Paul, whose mother was a Roman citizen and whose father was from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, and who died as a prisoner in Rome, was chosen by the Lord to gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the lost tribe of Benjamin.
     
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    As in your speaking about Judges 1:34, what does that have to do with
    Judges chapter 20.
    Why are you jumping from one subject to another,
    Why don't you try and stay with one subject at a time
    Judges 1:34 has nothing to do with
    Judges 20.

    Judges 1:34 is a complete different subject than Judges 20.
    What your doing is trying to combine them into one subject, unto which Judges 1:34
    Is not the same subject as Judges 20.
    Two completely different subjects being spoken about.
    The same thing that your doing with
    Revelation 7:4-8, your adding the tribe of Dan, which is obvious that it's not there.

    Which is very dangerous, which there is given a
    Warning not to add unto nor take away from the words of the Prophecy of the book of Revelation.

    Revelation 22:18-19---"
    18--"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    19--"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"

    If I were you, I would leave the book of Revelation alone and leave it as it is.
    But if you choose to over step the boundaries that have been set, your putting yourself at risk eternally.
    If Christ Jesus the Lord had wanted the tribe of Dan added to Revelation 7:4-8, Christ Jesus would haved done so, without your help.
    Thereby I would leave Revelation 7:4-8 alone as it is.
     
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    I believe the text is accurate. The 144,000 are Jews who are raptured as a first fruit before the general rapture.
     
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    I believe he may not have been talking about the Bible.
     
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    I believe that doesn't necessarily work that way. I do believe the Jews that are in this rapture group have to be living at the time it happens but that does not mean they didn't have lives before Jesus died. i do believe that Jesus is talking about the fact that people didn't know anything about Heaven until Jesus told them about it.
     
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    You do know, That Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation the last Prophecy that is to happen,
    That when this last prophecy happens, The tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.
    Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy of Revelation happens first, which brings the tribulation is over.

    So what good is the Rapture going to do, seeing the last Prophecy of Revelation that Christ Jesus given brings the tribulation to it's end and the return of Christ Jesus.
     
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    I believe it removes us from the world that is coming to an end as we know it. Saying Jesus comes after the Tribulation appears to be arbitrary to me. I would rather go with what Revelation really says.
     
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    So what do you suppose Revelation really says.
    Can you explain exactly who the locust and scorpions represents in the book of Revelation 9.
    Who do they represents

    Jesus Christ can not come until the last Prophecy happens first in Revelation.

    by the time the last Prophecy happens in Revelation the tribulation is over.
    Then Jesus Christ appears.
     
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    I believe this happens before Jesus appears at Armageddon. Are you going to tell me the lamb isn't Jesus? Rev. 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
     
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    Paul was a Jew who grew up in Turkey.. He was a Roman citizen because Tarsus was part of the Roman Empire.

    "Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia" (Acts 21:39 KJV)

    "I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." (Romans 11:1 KJV)

    The tribe of Benjamin moved to Afghanistan and became the Pashtun.
     
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    Christ followers fled to Pella to avoid the tribulation.

    The stories are about Palestine NOT the whole world.
     
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