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I would like to correct my self in a previoues statement i made.

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  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    Some time ago i made a statement about spiritual realm being non physical, i realized today that this might not be accurate, i come to realize that some realms that i have called spiritual realm has substans to them, and thereby can not be non physical. So the beings in those realms might have some form of physical body to them, this part is still unclear to me.

    Feel free to ask questions, but i might not be able to answer them all :)
     
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    What did you mean by physical and non physical in the first place? Why make such a distinction?
     
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    Human realm = physical realm
    Spiritual realm = where the enlightened beings like Gods, Buddhas and other beings are living/existing :)

    I come to realize that the lower spiritual realms close to human realms would be somewhat physical too, but not as dense as our human world.
    In my understanding the higher we get to the "ultimate truth" the less dense it become.
     
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    I have always been fascinated by the definition between the two because they seem to me to be a description based on whether we can feel the distinction. Since in some beliefs the spirit realm can affect the physical, couldn't what is spiritual be physical like air or light? So the spirit realm is physical but not noticeably tangible in certain cases?

    Frame of reference: The Vision or Martian Manhunter comic book characters who can switch between tangible and non tangible at will. The same goes for angels in the bible.
     
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    If my understanding is correct a reason why we humans can not see the higher realms is because our lack of level of wisdom that is required to see them or understand them, but i can be wrong here.
     
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    A level of enlightenment maybe? Do you have an idea how that could be?
     
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    The level of enlightenment is a part of Cultivation paths, example of Cultivation paths is Falun Gong, so yes the more we cultivate mind and body the more we will be able to realize of the true exisence:)
     
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    In Taoism, the image presented is of two realms, one 'above', and one 'below'. The one above is the realm of causation, and of divine intent. While the the realm below is the realm of material effect, and divine fulfillment. The realm above is the realm of the omni-metaphysical, the realm below is of the actual; the physical expression of the realm above.

    The ancient Greeks also perceived a similar view of existence, in which they perceived an invisible complex of interlocking ideological 'spherical' realm of the perfected, interconnected ideal; the 'logos', beyond our cognition. And then there is the physical reflection/expression of that perfect ideological ideal realm: the realm of matter, and of relative circumstance, here and now.
     
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  9. Milton Platt

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    What would be a controlled, repeatable experiment that would confirm or falsify your assertions?
     
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    As you know inner spiritual wisdom can not be proven by science, its an personal experience and awakening to the teaching.
     
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    In one way or another, most religions make the same statement about their very different and diverging gods and spirits. Since there is no way to tell if any of them are actually right, I will just stick to reality.
     
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    That is ok to me
     
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    What evidence do you have that this spiritual realm actually exists, beyond feelings you get that are produced by your physical brain?
     
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    Wisdom from the teaching, starting to understand how the spiritual realm works simultaneous with this physical realm we see with our physical eyes.
    It is (To me) more of an understanding then a feeling.
     
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    I'm sorry, but I still don't quite understand. We have evidence for this physical realm in which humans exist. But aside from people teaching you that an additional 'spiritual realm' exists, what actual evidence do you have that this concept is nothing more than a product of your physical brain?
     
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    The Cultivation of mind and body in Falun Gong. The proof is in the teaching so for those who wish to really understand what i realized would need to cultivate within Falun Gong. There is nothing in this physical realm that is of value, only the ability to realize wisdom and enlighten to it.

    But for non practitioners or non believers i can understand that the physical world is important
     
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    So what 'proof' have you been taught?
     
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    One thing is that this physical world is just a school to prepare for the true life in spiritual realm when all karma is repayed and physical body is no longer needed.
    Other things is that our physical eyes are not seeing the world as it truly is, nothing in this world is solid, even we think it is, if you zoom in enough you will experience New world within every athom that exist. But science does not have this tool yet.
     
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    John 20:26 Eight days later His disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, though they were behind closed doors, and stood among them and said, Peace to you!

    Physical and yet spiritual
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    What exactly does developing wisdom have to do with anything when it comes to matters of perception? You won't get beings materializing out of thin air just by being smart.

    I mean the smartest people I know right now are our scientists, and while they can develop technology and such to peer in many directions spanning from the macro to the micro, smartness and wisdom alone, of and in itself, does not achieve those things.

    Peekaboo and hide and seek mysteries have always struck me as a bit odd when it comes to claims of substantiality.
     
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