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"I want to kill you"

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by PopeADope, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Proffesionals are always asking me if I'm having thoughts of harming others. What if I responded, " I want to kill you and multiple other people."

    keep in mind, there's nothing illegal in that statement, because it is not a threat. I would be simply sharing something that goes on in my head, not threatening to do it.

    Is that something I should go to jail for?

    Now, for such people there is the possibility of a mental institution, but those are very costly and aren't going to fix the problem.

    What should society do with such people that are constantly haunted with the idea of killing others?

    And no, I don't have such desire, but don't think there's much we can do for such people who have them.
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    The title reminded me of...
     
  3. Geoff-Allen

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    You do like to push the boundaries with your threads.

    But it is a huge issue - how do you predict who is likely to acton their violent thoughts and who is not ....

    I myself have struggled with paranoid schizophrenia nd that has involved violent thinking at times.

    I have freed myself from my delusions and nowadays I wouldn't hurt a fly.

    I am not sure just what the answer is - it is a thorny problem.

    Nobody is born violent - negative circumstances unfortunately can turn people into wanting to harm others. Apologies for the awkward way of saying that.

    If you telll a shrink that voices in your head are telling you to kill others then there will be consequences.

    If anyone was interested in learning more about the experience of schizophrenia and dealing with delusions -

    What It's Like to Have Schizophrenia

    Al the best!
     
  4. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    I once learned of a man arrested for life for that very reason. He actually agreed that he ought to be kept in jail.

    It seems clear to me that such homicidal desires should be treated and healed if at all possible. Failing that, the people affected should be evaluated for their ability to control themselves. It may be necessary to restrain them in extreme cases.

    They have their rights, but so do innocent people that they might conceivably endanger.
     
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  5. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Wow, I'm amazed that a man can be arrested for life based on that. It is not illegal to want to kill someone.
     
  6. Terry Sampson

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    Send them to Afghanistan?
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

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    Most people have violent and taboo thoughts and fantasies. They're just part of being human. What matters is the intensity of them and whether the person believes they are appropriate to out or if they're distressing the person.
     
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  8. lostwanderingsoul

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    It is a very difficult question. If a kid goes to school with a PICTURE of a gun he might get arrested but it is not illegal to have a picture of a gun. Maybe one in a hundred such kids is actually thinking of shooting people so how do you figure out which one it is and whay can you do about it?
     
  9. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    It is illegal to endanger other people. It all comes down to how much self-control one has.
     
  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    A word of advice, you cannot always say things even if what you say is completely legal

    As a teenager i got sacked for voicing my opinion equally as legal.
    My supervisor was a total idiot and i told him so (no threats, just "you are an idiot")

    He took me before the manager who said, "you may think it but you must never say a senior colleague is an idiot"

    So i turned to the supervisor and said "ok. I think you are an idiot"
     
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  11. KAT-KAT

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    Regarding the subject, it's really important to keep such a thought to one's self, as the way I understand it, yes it can get you in trouble. If anything, if anyone is thinking such thoughts a lot, it may give them motivation to seek to improve.
     
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    @PopeADope

    Out of curiosity, have you ever seen a dead body ... up close?
     
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    I want to kill you

    Get in line.......
     
  14. Nowhere Man

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    Well sometimes I wish I could blow up the world. *Grin*

    I suppose if you couldn't distinguish between metaphorical and literal inclinations, I can see where people might want to hold you for a bit if you were to say such a thing. Giving you that squinty eyeball look.... ;O)
     
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  15. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Yes
     
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    Yes, it is illegal to harm someone, but what if you just say you would like to harm someone? The old saying goes, "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me". So why should a person get in trouble just for saying he would like to harm someone. Probably 99 percent of these cases are just talking with no real intent to do anything. Should that be a crime?
     
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    By the books committed crime? Maybe not. Having the risk of getting you in serious legal trouble where you'll need a good lawyer? Yes.
     
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    So the "thought police" should read a person's mind and arrest him if he is thinking bad thoughts?
     
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    Well suppose it IS legal, which I dont think it is. Suppose PopeADope says he wishes he could kill someone or something similar, then a murder happens right by him caused by someone else? Who is going to be a leading suspect?

    It's just not what one should do - that is, vocalizing it.
     
  20. lostwanderingsoul

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    Of course it is a bad idea. But should someone be arrested for what he thinks? Suppose someone says "I would like to rob a bank'. But takes no action to rob a bank. Is that illegal?
     
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