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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by GodInUs, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Rival

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    The Jews had been studying their scriptures for thousands of years. They well knew what to expect.

    The Messiah is repeatedly said to be the seed of David and be a king like David.

    This is nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures.

    No, the tribes were scattered long before this with the Assyrian invasion.

    :rolleyes:

    Except they weren't.


    The Assyrian captivity (or the Assyrian exile) is the period in the history of Ancient Israel and Judah during which several thousand Israelites of ancient Samaria were resettled as captives by Assyria. This is one of the many instances of forcible relocations implemented by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. The Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian monarchs, Tiglath-Pileser III (Pul) and Shalmaneser V. The later Assyrian rulers Sargon II and his son and successor, Sennacherib, were responsible for finishing the twenty-year demise of Israel's northern ten-tribe kingdom, although they did not overtake the Southern Kingdom. Jerusalem was besieged, but not taken. The tribes forcibly resettled by Assyria later became known as the Ten Lost Tribes.


    The captivities began in approximately 740 BCE (or 733/2 BCE according to other sources).[1]


    No, it's Christians who need to repurpose prophecy because they believe in Jesus first and try to find prophecies to fit him later.
     
  2. ChristineM

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    Your personal interpretation is not my problem

    1, yes that s unpleasant, but not as unpleasant as adults ganging up to mock a childs disability..?

    2 and i believe rapist can be painted the same colour

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    Are you getting the picture now, or are you going to continue being christian?
     
  3. ChristineM

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    All your doing, is the same thing as did Israel, the Prophecy's that were to be about Christ first coming, Israel had them in Christ second coming. And what was to be Christ second coming, Israel place them in Christ first coming.

    Israel took the Prophecy's of Christ and twisted them around backwards.

    And what was to be Christ second coming, Israel had them in Christ first coming.

    Where Christ was to come as a king this being Christ second coming. Israel took this as Christ first coming..

    Where Christ was to come as the Lamb of God, Israel took this to be Christ second coming.
    And where Christ was to come as a king, Israel took this to be Christ first coming.
     
  5. Rival

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    No, all you're doing is refusing to read the Tanakh properly. It says none of these things.
     
  6. ChristineM

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    It really is humourous though.
     
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    Nope not at all, what your doing is the same thing Israel did misunderstanding the Prophecy's of the Tanaka.

    I've have the Tanakh and read the Tanakh and have no problem with the Prophecy's of the Tanakh.
    Your just not putting the Prophecy's in their proper order of events.
     
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    Could have fooled me.


    For me, the time to figure out exactly what Jesus is instructing you to do comes after it has been established that he's giving you instructions at all. I'm not at that point.
     
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    I apologize I'm just trying to have a convo here with you, sorry that you feel I'm trying to force you to think or be a certain way. I did say at the beginning, "This is what I believe:" NOT what you had to believe or should. Again, what you believe is what you choose to believe and vice versa. I apologize if you think I'm TRYING to change you or change the way you believe. I'm quite sure your capable of handling it.

    As for your other comment, sorry, it can be a lengthy explanation and you don't seem to enjoy those

    By the way how the heck do people separate other people's comments like that, how did you do that? I'm like skipping spaces here obviously, go ahead, say it, "rookie"
     
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    There are a couple of ways to do that, one is just to press reply a couple of times and edit a bit. Might make a few mistakes with it at first, but no worries if you do. :)
     
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    Ray Warren, perhaps this online Quaker meeting might be helpful. Very best wishes to you.
     
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    I am new and forgot to post the website!

    Meeting for Worship – Welcome
     
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    I got a vibe off your posts that you were asking why people didn't attend church so you could overcome their objections. If that impression was wrong, I apologize.

    I'm fine with actual explanations of any length. I'm less okay with useless tangents. When I don't respond to your whole post, it's because I'm disregarding the parts I think are irrelevant.

    You can just put quote tags around the quoted text. This:

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  14. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    BTW: while I wasn't exactly trying to ask you for your proof of the existence of God, Jesus, etc., I think you should understand where I'm coming from.

    I've never seen any Christian - or any theist in general, actually - give any reasonable justification for even the existence of God. Everything I've ever seen is consistent with God simply being a human invention... but even if we that aside, I think that if I'm extremely generous and grant that there's no compelling evidence for or against the existencr of God, this still means that anyone making claims about God's nature, past deeds, future plans, or likes and dislikes is necessarily pulling all of it out of their butts.

    Any conclusion that relies on the existence of God can't be any more certain than the conclusion that God exists at all... and my impression from talking to theists about this for more than a decade is that there's no good reason to be certain at all that God exists or that any particular religionis true.

    This means that when you make claims about, say, how Jesus wants Christians to think about church, I feel safe in saying that these claims are complete fabrications. Maybe not by you personally, but by someone.

    Short version: a theist who can't demonstrate that their god exists has no justification for any claims about their god.
     
  15. james dixon

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    The only way to determine whether God exists is for Him to reveal Himself to us. I personally don’t believe He will do this until humans stop eating flesh. So that point in time is way off somewhere in the future, if we don’t destroy ourselves first.

    Having said that, there are a lot of clues within the Bible that suggest the righters got some help from somewhere else?

    Thake these verses for example---- & keep in mind that these verses were written somewhere around 1440 B.C. while Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 A.D.

    (Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

    (Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

    (Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

    (Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

    (Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

    (Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

    (Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

    (Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

    (Ezek 22:7 KJV) In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.

    (Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

    (Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

    (Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

    (Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

    (Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

    It is hard for me to accept the idea that the writers above who wrought those verses did not get some help from somewhere else.

    How about you-?

    :)-
     
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    I see no reason to believe that God has actually revealed himself to any person who claims that God has revealed himself to them.

    That's a... unique point of view, but since you say that God hasn't revealed himself to humanity, I'm inclined to reject what you're saying as unjustified, especially when you're telling me that it's unjustified.

    Sounds like you're much more credulous and pattern-seeking than I am. The Bible uses the word "stranger" a handful of times; so what? Whatever conclusion you think is obvious sure isn't obvious to me.

    And like @GodInUs , you're putting the cart before the horse. First demonstrate that the Bible came from God and then we can have a conversation about what the Bible implies about God.

    And of course, you aren't going to be able to demonstrate that the Bible came from God without demonstrating that God exists at all.
     
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    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
    And then there is; you can't see the trees for the forest or something like that

    :)-
     
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    That's right: your failure to make your case is because of my failings. :rolleyes:
     
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    The truth of the matter is simple enough, it doesn’t matter whether God exists or not. What matters is what we have done with the words contained therein.

    Every country across this planet have contained four (4) of the Ten Commandments within their “laws”.

    The guide to living a useful and peaceful life is spelled out in scripture. All we have to do is read it and do it and then it will be done.

    Or we could take what we want, kill whomever we want; and in the process kill ourselves off until there is no one left.

    It is immaterial whether God exists or not. What is important is what we do with what we read, for good or bad

    In my view of things :)-
     
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    You said, "Come to Mondas and you will have no need of emotions. You will become like us.
    Feelings? Feelings? Yes, we know of this weakness of yours. We are fortunate. We do not posses feelings."
    And I say: that's funny.
     
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