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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by pearl, May 11, 2022.

  1. pearl

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    My son stopped in yesterday, always love to see and visit with him. He just returned from Florida, Disneyworld.
    Our of the blue he asked what I thought of Governor DeSantis and that was the beginning of the end of a lovely visit. Politically we are on the opposite sides. To makes matters worse of course the topic of abortion raised its ugly head, and all hell broke loose. My oldest daughter, who lives with us, had an abortion when she was 17. She was experiencing seizures and was on medication the doctor considered unsafe for the baby. I did not know she was pregnant. My son, who is now an evangelical, belongs to a church in which they live by the Christianity of St Paul. Jesus said he came, 'not to bring peace on earth, but division; even in one’s own household, two against three and three against two.' All this leaves me, a mother who loves all her children, in the middle.
     
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  2. SalixIncendium

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    Politics and religion are good topics to avoid in family discussions, especially when it's already known that family members have conflicting opinions.
     
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  3. shunyadragon

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    To be blunt you need to realize the Judaism, Christianity, Islam and other ancient religions are tribal religions based on ancient texts emphasizing us versus them, and history is a witness of this fact. The problem is compounded by each division of the religion selectively cites scripture to justify their view whether the positive or negative references. The scriptures are full of IED mines of citations from Genesis to the Book of Revelation that justify the uncompromising us versus them nonbelievers in one way or another.

    The Roman Church (RCC) is as a matter of fact the church that claims to be the one and only 'true' church, and does not contribute to appealing sincerely to a more embracing universal healing approach to the diverse conflicting beliefs in the family, community and the world.
     
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    The problem with this is the 'band-ade for cancer approach' and not addressing the reasons conflicts among family members, communities, and the ancient tribal beliefs that separate the peoples of the world.
     
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    That's unfortunate. I'm lucky, I suppose - as my eldest (the most likely to engage in discussions of this type) tend to have extremely level heads about them when it comes to discussion topics - understanding that others have alternative views, and always bringing rational justification to the table, rather than emotions. I hadn't really thought too much about it, but realize it would be very difficult if that weren't the case. I hope it works itself out for you. Family tends to be very quick to gloss over turbulence from my experience. And from there you might just not bring up such topics, or answer shortly and shallowly if you'd rather avoid such things for family get-togethers.
     
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    I disagree completely. It's okay to have differing views. Sharing them with the intent to force one's views on another does nothing but create dissent and conflict.

    To ask someone what they think about a political topic, then attack them for their views, is bad form, especially when that person is family.
     
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    Sorry to hear that.

    Always extra-tragic imo when faith-based mumbo jumbo drives a split within families upto the point where it can potentially break them apart.
     
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    In @shunyadragon's defense, for some polarizing topics, the rational justifications, factual support, or even data may actually favor one side over the other. And extreme ideological views are certainly one way that people end up capable of ignoring those types of things, even when presented simply and without emotional fanfare. I believe it behooves us all to continue to try and disseminate the ideas that have such support, even in the face of emotional pushback, and if that works to change minds (which I would say it certainly has for various beliefs and behaviors of some throughout the years, most definitely), then perhaps the discussion can then begin that relates to the party being obstinate over the issue(s) as to the reasons for their obstinance - i.e. fervency of belief in something that doesn't have rational justifications, factual support, or data behind it.
     
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    One does not resolve conflict by avoiding it.
     
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    I have no advice.
    But I do have....
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    One does not live in peace by creating conflict.
     
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    I would say it's pretty much a case-by-case basis, "everything in moderation" sort of thing. There are plenty of times I have avoided bringing up things I know would cause tumult in the conversation - and I don't feel ashamed to have done so for the sake of expediency to the actual purpose(s) of a given meeting/party/union.
     
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    Let's put it this way: when I know that my child adheres to, for example, nazi ideology, I will NOT be avoiding the topic. It would break my heart and would do everything I can to make him realize the error of his ways and how judgmental hatred is not a proper way to lead your life.

    Even if it means yelling and throwing glasses around the room.

    I could not live with myself by avoiding the topic and just letting him live his life while holding a nazi ideology.
    Me entering that discussion would be a sign of my love for him.



    (not that I'm comparing it to nazism, it's just a purposefully chosen extreme example to drive the point home)
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Over the weekend I had a nice vigorous chat with
    family & in-laws about politics & religion. But it
    was limited to certain family members...with some
    fortunately being elsewhere.
    It can be done....but it requires care.
     
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    The conflict already exists.
     
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    That depends on how you resolve it.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Me also. But not with my children or parents.
    They deserve better then mere avoidence of social awkwardness.
    They deserve my honesty and there can be no taboo's in that.
     
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    I can't agree that this method of argumentation would actually work on anyone with a better than third-grade education level. You may as well just resort to yelling "My house, my rules!" at the top of your lungs and hope that the person doesn't see right through your already broken glass of an "argument".
     
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    Well, yes. But sometimes a family (member) can to you be so toxic, that only avoidance works.
     
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