I live in a smart city, can I be concerned yet?

[Kooky]

You forgot Obama who continued the enforcement of domestic surveillance, wonder why that is?

Because the Obama administration actually rolled back some (though of course, not all) of the powers of the PATRIOT Act, which were then re-expanded under the Trump administration. I know many Americans aren't taught to think further back than their last President, but you could at least have done the minimal research needed to ground your overzealous attack in historical facts.

By the way, please do not assume I have any attachment to the US Democratic Party. I am neither American nor liberal. I do, however, have an attachment to historical facticity, arguably to the point where I am annoying a lot of people here who would perhaps rather history contorted to their own personal narrative of how the world works.

 

[Bodie]

Because the Obama administration actually rolled back some (though of course, not all) of the powers of the PATRIOT Act, which were then re-expanded under the Trump administration.

Very little was done by the Obama administration in that area and he continued with the same basic program. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that democrats overwhelmingly supported Donald Trumps expansions, he couldn't have done it alone.

 

[Kooky]

Very little was done by the Obama administration in that area and he continued with the same basic program.

Yes, rollbacks of the earlier powers were limited, but they were also not expanded - unlike during the Bush and Trump administrations, respectively, which both saw a significant expansion in both the legal powers and capacities of state surveillance.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that democrats overwhelmingly supported Donald Trumps expansions, he couldn't have done it alone.

Do you have any evidence for that claim? As far as I remember, Trump was working with a Republican dominated House and Senate until midterm elections; although it's of course possible that he only managed to pass these laws after his majority support in the House had already crumbled.

 

[Bodie]

Do you have any evidence for that claim? As far as I remember, Trump was working with a Republican dominated House and Senate until midterm elections; although it's of course possible that he only managed to pass these laws after his majority support in the House had already crumbled.

Maybe some minimal research on your part as to congressional voting records are in order.

 

[Kooky]

Maybe some minimal research on your part as to congressional voting records are in order.

I'm not American, so I don't usually care enough for that level of effort. Do you?

Also, it is generally considered poor form to ask one's discussion partners to back up one's own claims.

 

[Bodie]

I'm not American, so I don't usually care enough for that level of effort.

It's easily found and you will see that some of the very same democrats that claimed Trump was abusing his power and what not are some of the very same ones who voted to expand survelliance powers, Nancy Pelosi was a very vocal supporter and we all know how big a fan of Trump she was.

 

[Kooky]

It's easily found and you will see that some of the very same democrats that claimed Trump was abusing his power and what not are some of the very same ones who voted to expand survelliance powers, Nancy Pelosi was a very vocal supporter and we all know how big a fan of Trump she was.

It can't be that easy, seeing as you didn't bother, either.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

So I am 35, and I think I went from seeing like no cameras anywhere when I was a kid, to now seeing camera nests pop up everywhere. I don't stuff that's wrong, but every time I see one of those stern orbs or sleek rectangles, I think oh great, I might be being watched.

Likely they have like motion sensors as well, and then activate with your activity.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Personally, I don't care if they set up cameras and microphones all around me. I have nothing to hide. I would probably troll them by standing there staring into the camera while having a one way conversation with the light pole, just like how I look up and smile and wave at all the cameras in Walmart.

Amazon is in the process of installing cameras and driver monitors in all their delivery vehicles. The ones that complain are the ones that don't use their seat belt, have poor driving habits, watch porn (yeah, that happened), or steal packages. The ones that are doing what they should be doing have nothing to worry about.

As I see it, if you're doing nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, why be concerned?

My intuition is that anyone from the founding of the country, who were, it seems to me, trying to escape general oversight, probably wouldn't like the idea.

It has the drawback of probably making large amounts of people anxious, even if they are doing nothing wrong. Not saying it is like that for you, but making the postulation that it is such in general