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I know not all Muslims are Islamists, but...

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Octavia156, May 25, 2013.

  1. HiddenHijabi

    HiddenHijabi Active Member

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    Asalaamu aleikum!

    Regarding the burqa, I'm assuming you mean the Afghan-style one with the mesh screen over the eyes. Possibly the single most obvious reason that particular form of burka isn't more common is simply that it can be massively cumbersome and impractical for the most part. Things like crossing the road, or reading, would be difficult given the loss of vision.
    There's also a number of historic and cultural reasons for the burqa or niqab being worn, including pre-Islamic veiling practices in some countries which are now Muslim or have Muslim populations, such as India, where the practice is often linked with marriage status, Iran, where earlier Persian cultures also covered the face, and Israel where there is some evidence of ancient veiling practices, as well as a current Haredi Jewish sect practicing this.

    The arguments surrounding niqab and hijab are many but I'll try and sum them up. The Qur'an commands modesty for both men and women, and there is at least one verse where it states this:

    "O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."

    Surah Al-Ahzab Ayah 59

    There's also a number of hadith regarding the forbidding of covering the face during Hajj, which suggests that for such a statement to be made, the practice was common. Other hadith talk about covering all but the face and hands for prayer, and there is also a hadith which specifically mentions that some Muslim women, when the verses commanding modesty were revealed, that they 'looked as though they had crows hanging around their heads' suggesting that they wore long black headcoverings.
    Niqab is more difficult and typically points to some of the reasons I've mentioned, but also some hadith which suggest, as I mention above, about women having to uncover their faces for Hajj.

    It must be said that for all the talk of hijab, there are Muslim women who choose to wear nothing on their heads in their daily life and I wouldn't judge them as being 'lesser' Muslims for doing so. The argument over hijab really depends on the scholarly schools you want to follow, the country you're talking about and even just plain personal choice on the part of Muslim women.
     
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  2. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    On any given day women dress differently........
    However most have a wide range of outfits that are not very different to other women's outfits.
    What they wear is down to their mood, the occasion, and the weather.
     
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  3. Nehustan

    Nehustan Well-Known Member

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    Good point.
     
  4. Sakeenah

    Sakeenah Well-Known Member

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    I think hiddenhijabi answered most of your questions. And like she mentioned it's really going that extra mile. And when you go that extra mile for God you feel closer to Him.
    Your not the only one who has a trouble understanding..which is completely normal. But I think asking question and discussing these issues is a good way to develop respect for one another.
    Sometimes when I'm outside and I see people stare at me..I wish they would just walk up to me and ask me questions
     
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  5. darkendless

    darkendless Guardian of Asgaard

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    That's a good explanation in itself. Going the extra step to be closer to God is the most simple answer i've ever been given :)
     
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  6. Nehustan

    Nehustan Well-Known Member

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    There's the 'take on step toward Allah...He will take 10 toward you' hadith (?) that might be a good way to explain why going the 'extra mile' appeals...
     
  7. Nehustan

    Nehustan Well-Known Member

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    Allah (swt) says: “Take one step towards me, I will take ten steps towards you. Walk towards me, I will run towards you.” Hadith Qudsi.
     
  8. Sakeenah

    Sakeenah Well-Known Member

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    Is this the hadith you are referring to..one of my favourite

    it's a hadith narrated by Abu hurayrah
    The prophet said that Allah the Almighty said:

    ‘I am as My servant thinks I am . I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed."
     
  9. Nehustan

    Nehustan Well-Known Member

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    That is slightly longer than the hadith I had heard, probably a different narration, but yes broadly..
     
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