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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by TheBrokenSoul, Nov 24, 2021 at 8:51 AM.

  1. TheBrokenSoul

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    The plan has to also involve reducing kE emissions . Did you know that even movement of a person generates kE by moving atmospheric molecules and field disruption ?
     
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    It is hoped that electricity will be generated by renewable sources, hence the switch to electric vehicles..
    I shouldn't worry about pedestrians, if I were you ;)
     
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    Electricity is kinetic energy and adds to the warming .
     
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    Ya got me!

    What are kE emissions?
     
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    kE means kinetic energy , motion creates kinetic energy , the production of electricty is kinetic energy . Burning fossil fules creates kinetic energy , I think you'll see the point , kinetic energy isn't something a roller coaster uses . A roller coaster uses force redirection rather than kE but while the cars are in motion they will gain some kinetic energy from the motion .
     
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    It's all about cutting down on CO2, as has already been explained.
    It is about the heat not being able to escape from the atmosphere.
     
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    A theist who does not have scientific training, and has not done experiments that are scientifically rigorous should not mislead others. Theists use pseudo science to tell lies about well understood scientific processes. But, it is thought that lies for Jesus are permissible, and their politicians take money (mammon) from oil companies to continue polluting God's environment, then they come up with plausible lies to justify it.

    Is lying supposed to be a standard practice of Christianity?

    Is destroying God's environment supposed to help God somehow?


    Global Warming is both a natural process (since the last ice age), and an anthropgenic (man-made) process.

    Weather changes are short term, and climate changes are long term. (The meaning of terms).

    Higher frequencies of light enter the atmosphere, hit the earth where they change to lower frequencies, and those lower frequencies are trapped by greenhouse gases (like CO2) that reflect them back to earth again.

    Lavoisier's Law ,the conservation of mass, means that the constituent components (that is, the carbon C, and the oxygen O) are never destroyed. But they can take other forms and can be absorbed in rock, water, or ice. As poles melt, more CO2 is released, and CO2, in gaseous form, is a green house gas that worsens Global Warming.

    Along came Madam Curie, with Radon, and the idea that some elements give off X-rays and gamma rays. Curie found that the weight of Radon decreased as it radiated, concluding that it broke down as it liberated energy. Indeed, naturally occurring fission (the splitting of the atomic nucleus) changes one element into another, and changes a neutron into a proton, electron, neutrino, and (in the case of Radon) an X-ray photon. This process violates conservation of mass by changing mass into energy. Lavoisier wasn't aware that mass can turn into energy when he wrote his law.

    Greenhouse gases hidden at the bottom of the oceans could make warming far worse

    The National Geographics website, above, says: "Stores of methane and CO2 in the world's seas are in a strange, icy state, and the waters are warming, creating a ticking carbon time bomb."......."Caps of frozen CO2 or methane, called hydrates." "the temperature of the seawater surrounding some hydrate caps is within a few degrees of dissolving them."

    Green house gases CO2 (stays in the atmosphere for thousands of years), and methane (stays in the atmosphere for 12 years) pose problems for Global Warming.

    Global Warming, with mankind's influence, is occurring about 100 times faster (at this point in time) as it did in the last many ice ages. This is too fast for animals to adapt, and there should be a mass die-off, which might also be the extinction of mankind.
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z72vrj6/articles/zm4cqp3

    You are wrong; roller coasters use kinetic energy. This is why theists should not use pseudoscience to argue with real scientists.

    Total energy is conserved. Total energy is composed of potential energy (a consequence of height) and kinetic energy (a consequence of mass and velocity). Mass is conserved (unless someone falls out of the roller coaster).
     
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    Heat is a sensory perception , temperture is the measure . However , kE is indistinguishable from atmospheric space , it is like mixing water with water .
     
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    No , that is wrong , a roller coaster freefalls under the force of gravity but guided and secured to a track , the cars momentum is then redirected by the track , the momentum of the car will then loop etc . Kinetic energy gains is electrical energy , that is why people get static shocks sometimes .
     
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    Electric vehicles are decreasing the rate of global warming by not polluting as their gas powered counterparts would. However, the manufacture of electric vehicles, specifically, the manufacture of their batteries, does pollute. However, factories could have special pollution controls that catch harmful pollutants before they enter the atmosphere. Though gasoline cars also have pollution controls (such as EGRs, and catalytic converters), that is insufficient. Electric cars, once manufactured, don't pollute.

    Electric cars are charged by electricity, and certain forms of electric production does pollute. As President Donald Trump announced, there are now pollution-free coal power plants.

    No known conservation measure can stop Global Warming at this point. Even combining many conservation measures (such as electric cars and LED lights) will not stop Global Warming.

    It appears that the last chance that we have of saving earth is modification of the atmosphere in much the same way that super-volcanoes do.

    It is ironic that a regular (not super) volcano will heat earth and produce more greenhouse gases which both worsen global warming. But, when a super-volcano, like Pinatubo erupts, it tosses the necessary acid rain aerosols high into the stratosphere where they block sunlight, and the ash blocks sunlight. Pinatubo set back global warming for about a year.

    We need to emulate the Pinatubo eruption by tossing atomized acid rain into the upper atmosphere (where super volcanoes toss it, not where regular volcanoes toss it), and blocking light with fine ash (carbon particles). Will such a project kill all life on earth, as some scientists worried when I proposed this? Well, Pinatubo already erupted, and it didn't kill us all.

    How do we get the acid rain into the upper atmosphere? We could use high altitude balloons, rockets, rockoons (rocket lifting a balloon into the air, invented by Dr. James Van Allen of Van Allen radiation belt fame, or charge the atoms and shoot them into the upper atmosphere using an ion gun (use a positive charge to repel the negative charges). That is sort of like using a particle accelerator.
     
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    Heat vs temperature - Energy Education

    According to the website above, "Heat and temperature are a closely related topic, and as such, the difference between the two can be a bit confusing. The core difference is that heat deals with thermal energy, whereas temperature is more concerned with molecular kinetic energy."

    So, you are wrong, heat is not a sensory perception. Heat is thermal energy.

    This is why theists should not use pseudoscience to argue with people with PhDs in science and those who have done extensive research.
     
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    We feel the heat and measure the temperature . Science tries to be smart in defining too many meanings . In reality we feel hot becuase we feel heat .

    There is no argument with science , most of my physics is correct based on observation evidence . Icebergs for example that float are curving field lines towards them , hovering super conductors work the same way . A superconductor is not pushing off the ground , it is been pulled upwards by field tension pulling back . Einsteins space-time curvature .
     
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    Empty space has nothing in it. Space around earth has the solar wind, and that puff of subatomic particles from the nuclear furnace of the sun gets trapped in the geomagnetic field, producing pockets of charged subatomic particles, called the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

    In my discussions with Dr. James Van Allen, he explained that the aurora borealis (at the north pole) and the aurora australis (at the south pole) are a consequence of subatomic particles from the Van Allen Radiation belt following the flux lines into the atmosphere (where they bend into the poles).

    Unraveling the nature of 'whistlers' from space in the lab: A new study sheds light on how ultralow frequency radio waves and plasmas interact

    Whistlers are subatomic particles that travel along flux lines of the geomagnetic field, spiraling as they go (using the right hand rule due to the charge and magnetic field), whistling as they go (very low frequency radio waves). Sometimes their noise can be heard on radios.

    The various colors of the borealis are caused by various elements in the atmosphere. Green, for example, is from the oxygen.

    You are wrong about kinetic energy, it is not the same as empty space. However, particles in the Van Allen Radiation belt and the solar wind do have kinetic energy. Though the wind is traveling much faster than the belt (which is trapped in a magnetic field).

    This is why theists should not use pseudoscience to refute PhD scientists who have done research.

    Van Allen radiation belt | astrophysics

    According to the Encyclopedia Britannica website, above, the inner Van Allen belt "consists of highly energetic photons, with energy exceeding 30,000,000 electron volts."
     
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    Science isn't trying to be smart by defining too many meanings. They have various definitions for various things so that they can study them.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    No. Kinetic energy = mv^2.

    So, higher velocity causes higher kinetic energy.

    At the top of the roller coaster, the ride slows down. This is because the energy is potential energy (made greater by height). At the bottom of the track, the ride speeds up because the energy is kinetic (made greater by speed). The energy is conserved, except for wind resistance and the friction of the track.

    So, if a roller coaster was on a friction-less track with no air friction, it would continuously trade off kinetic energy and potential energy.

    You are wrong....kinetic energy gains are not exclusively electrical. Static shocks on a ride are caused by friction (electrons rub off).

    This is why theists should not try to use pseudoscience to argue with PhD scientists who have done research.
     
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    This is how Libretexts defines the Meissner Effect (that causes magnets to hover over superconductors):

    Meissner Effect

    "Since diamagnetics have a magnetization that opposes any applied magnetic field, the superconductor is repelled by the magnetic field. When a magnet is placed above a superconductor, this repelling force can be stronger than gravity."

    Their explanation doesn't seem to be the same as your explanation.

    Certainly every mass has gravity, and even light exerts a magnetic field that causes it to bend in a gravitational field, and also pull on mass, but it seems that the gravitational force created by an iceberg would be very small (due to the small size of the iceberg). While it is true that Einstein's space-time curvature applies to all mass, small masses are negligible.
     
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    WHERE DOES THE EXTRA HEAT COME FROM:

    You correctly identified CO2 as a greenhouse gas (which stays in the atmosphere for thousands of years). Methane is another important greenhouse gas (which stays in the atmosphere for about 12 years). You correctly understand that greenhouse gases allow high frequency light to enter the earth (going through the CO2 and methane without much trouble), but once sunlight hits the surface of the earth, it changes to a lower frequency, then greenhouse gases trap that lower frequency light so it cannot escape back into space....thus heating the earth as if it were in a greenhouse.

    The extra heat comes from extra CO2. Fossil fuels (oil, coal) are mined, burned to make heat and manufacture items, and that liberates the CO2 trapped in the fossil fuels. A slight temperature change would liberate a huge amount of frozen CO2 in the ocean. The hotter it gets, the more the poles melt and liberate trapped CO2. The more the poles melt, the lower the albedo (less light reflecting off of the ice caps), which will warm the earth further.

    President Donald Trump pointed out that there are new coal energy plants that don't pollute (they trap pollutants before they get out).

    The manufacture of electric cars also pollutes. We must figure out a way to cut that pollution.

    TOO LATE TO AVOID CATASTROPHE? NO....BUT WE HAVE JUST ONE CHANCE, I THINK:

    My friend says that God has shown us the way by erupting the Pinatubo volcano. That set back Global Warming about a year. Unlike a regular volcano that heats the earth (due to magma/lava) but also due to the release of greenhouse gas (such as CO2), a super volcano tosses chemicals deeply into the upper atmosphere, where they will do some good, and releases a huge amount of SO4 (which forms sulfuric acid (acid rain)) in aerosol form, and creates ash that blocks sunlight from getting to the surface of the earth. If we could mimic a super volcano by tossing the same aerosols into the upper stratosphere, and making soot to stop sunlight, we might be able to reverse Global Warming (careful not to reverse it too much or we will make an ice age). We don't have to toss the huge amount of dirt into the air (that just falls out anyway when a volcano erupts). We could get the chemicals into the air with a rocket, rockoon (balloon that carries a rocket to a higher altitude so it doesn't require as much fuel), balloon, or charge atoms and shoot the charged particles with an electric gun.

    It is too late for any one conservation measure, and too late for a combination of all known conservation measures. We are doomed unless we modify the atmosphere as the Pinatubo volcanic eruption did.

    We're supposed to be more intelligent than animals, but animals didn't wreck this problem and cause their extinction, we did.
     
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    No, the cars speed up because F=ma2 (Newton) , the redirection of track changes the velocity , that is why some roller coasters are designed to travel up a loop then reverse back down the same loop . The momentum runs out , not the kE ,.
     
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