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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Seeker of White Light, Jan 12, 2022 at 1:11 PM.

  1. savagewind

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    In whatever circumstances...Humanly, imo impossible. It is not possible to know what God thinks. If you say that you do, you are a liar. In my opinion.
     
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  2. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    Maybe a non-believer or just someone with very little knowledge of what spiritual lifestyle is :)

    But its actually not wrong or bad of him to ask.
     
  3. Secret Chief

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    Not asking sure, but the assertion "if you dont know you are not a believer" is the nonsense.
     
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  4. Nakosis

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    Tell them you are a believer, not a knower.
    If you were a knower, then you would haven't to be a believer.
     
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  5. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    Yes :) if I knew all the answers i would not need the l8ng "path" of purification:) then it would have happen already
     
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    You reminded me of this:

    "What is hateful to you do not do to your neighbor.
    That is the whole Torah. The rest is commentary. Go, learn (it)!"
    Rabbi Hillel, Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a
     
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    You don't have to know it all to be a believer. One can know very little and believe.
     
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    They used to call us aspirants, I suppose we aspired to gain knowledge. When I followed a Guru.
    I suppose that would be a question for a Guru or Master. "So do you know everything?"

    Though I never thought to ask that, I wonder what they would say.
     
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    Your friend is mistaken.
     
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    I assume that person is a stickler, precisionist, or perfectionist. If people did not know everything about the teachings of their religions, then, by his logic, virtually nobody would be a believer in anything. As a result, each religion might have only 10 followers or something. lol.

    That's an excellent point, and very useful! Thanks for sharing! :)

    This is very commendable of you, my friend. You are already a spiritual role model.

    As a Hindu who aspires to be a true devotee of God, Nārāyaṇa, I am trying to get rid of all hatred that I have for other beings.

    There is a gurū in the US whose followers literally say is 'the world's greatest authority on Sanātana Dharma.' It would be interesting to ask him if he knows everything.
     
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    Please ask your friend if he believes in the accuracy maths and if he knows the proofs of every mathematical proposition to justify that belief.
     
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  12. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    I did something similar:) i asked if he could see air....he answered "only in winter when it is cold" :oops:
     
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  13. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    You don't have to know an entire body of external knowledge, but I would say that anything you don't currently know is not -and can't be - part of your current beliefs.
     
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    It would probably be easier to formulate an answer if you wrote,

    - about your friend's level of knowledge in the field of Islam / Sufism
    - whether your friend belongs to your religion, is neutral about it or rejects it
     
  15. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    My friend has not much knowledge or understanding of religion or spiritual lifestyle:)
     
  16. Sirona

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    So I can only guess, but some people (unconsciously?) might make demands for religious respect or religious authority with a claim of special spiritual insight that possibly is not accessible for the rest of us dummies and which cannot be objectively verified. It might have been your friend's way of trying to "test" any claims of spiritual expertise. :shrug:
     
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    Believer doesn't mean gnostic.
     
  18. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    I know little about gnostic path, so my understanding arise from my understanding of sufism
     
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