I don't even see how the impeachment of Trump

[Jonathan Bailey]

is warranted under Constitution.

What is his supposed crime?

The Causes for Which a President Can Be Impeached

The Causes for Which a President Can Be Impeached
“What, then, is the meaning of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ for which a President may be removed? Neither the Constitution nor the statutes have determined.”

"The Constitution provides, in express terms, that the President, as well as the Vice-President and all civil officers, may be impeached for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” It was framed by men who had learned to their sorrow the falsity of the English maxim, that “the king can do no wrong,” and established by the people, who meant to hold all their public servants, the highest and the lowest, to the strictest accountability. All were jealous of any “squinting towards monarchy,” and determined to allow to the chief magistrate no sort of regal immunity, but to secure his faithfulness and their own rights by holding him personally answerable for his misconduct, and to protect the government by making adequate provision for his removal. Moreover, they did not mean that the door should not be locked till after the horse had been stolen."

 

[Jonathan Bailey]

PS - This impeachment holds no water.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let's see it all started with a monitored and open phone call as grounds. Then it turns into Trump's character now that is on 'trial' along with "heads on a spike".

Yes 'solid evidence' America's in danger and all the other bull crap they're coming out with. They shotgun the prosecution like they shotgun their candidates for election. Throw out everything they can think of and see what's sticks to the wall.

Shift cries. .... Awwww!!!

That seals Trump's fate fer sure.

 

[Howard Is]

For **** sake wake up.
He was doing deals with a foreign leader for personal political advantage.
Are you just plain stupid ?

 

[Terry Sampson]

 

[Twilight Hue]

For **** sake wake up.
He was doing deals with a foreign leader for personal political advantage.
Are you just plain stupid ?

And what 'deal' exactly was that?

 

[Howard Is]

And what 'deal' exactly was that?

Seriously ? You don’t know ?

 

[BSM1]

Seriously ? You don’t know ?

Evidently we don't. Care to explain?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Seriously ? You don’t know ?

Hey I'm the stupid one. I need specifics from the smart ones.

 

[Howard Is]

Evidently we don't. Care to explain?

Fine.
He withheld $400 million aid to Ukraine.
That was his part of the quid pro quo if the Ukraine President agreed to dig up dirt on Biden.
G.A.O. Report Says Trump Administration Broke Law in Withholding Ukraine Aid

1. Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial

 

[Howard Is]

Hey I'm the stupid one. I need specifics from the smart ones.

Yeah, that was rude of me. I apologise.

 

[BSM1]

Fine.
He withheld $400 million aid to Ukraine.
That was his part of the quid pro quo if the Ukraine President agreed to dig up dirt on Biden.
G.A.O. Report Says Trump Administration Broke Law in Withholding Ukraine Aid

1. Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial

So what did the Ukraine do to get the money released?

 

[pearl]

He was doing deals with a foreign leader for personal political advantage.

In previous years, as president, Trump had no problem with okaying the funds for Ukraine until threatened by Biden's popularity at the time. Do the math, its not rocket science.

 

[Howard Is]

So what did the Ukraine do to get the money released?

They didn’t do anything. It wasn’t for them to do anything.
The funds were eventually released. The Reps weren’t too happy with Trump over it.
Trump was using the aid as a lever to get the illegal cooperation he was after.

 

[PureX]

So what did the Ukraine do to get the money released?

How is this relevant to using the power of the presidency to withhold U.S. aid for the purpose of personal political gain? A bribe does not have to be accepted and acted on for it to be a bribe.

That question about being stupid apparently still stands.

 

[Howard Is]

A bribe does not have to be accepted and acted on for it to be a bribe.

Precisely.

The POTUS used Congressionally approved funds as a bribe to a foreign government for party political purposes.

If that isn’t corrupt and impeachable, what is ?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So the basis of the entire argument is centered around the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

What people fail the note is that the exact same thing happened during the Obama administration. For some inexplicable reason, that was okay then but suddenly it's not now in regards to the holding by Trump.

OMB: Ukraine aid delay was consistent with law, past practice

Trump: Obama administration withheld foreign aid too

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

They didn’t do anything. It wasn’t for them to do anything.
The funds were eventually released. The Reps weren’t too happy with Trump over it.
Trump was using the aid as a lever to get the illegal cooperation he was after.

Yes, the funds were eventually released, but until then, knowing that they had an advantage, Russia stepped up aggression -- and Ukrainian soldiers died for it. Going months lacking means to fight back will do that.

Moreover, Ukraine is a U.S. ally, while Russia is a foe. That seems to me to be akin to aiding the enemy.

 

[Howard Is]

So the basis of the entire argument is centered around the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

What people fail the note is that the exact same thing happened during the Obama administration. For some inexplicable reason, that was okay then but suddenly it's not now in regards to the holding by Trump.

OMB: Ukraine aid delay was consistent with law, past practice

The aid wasn’t merely delayed.
It was used as a bribe for personal benefit to Trump.

You must be trying hard to misunderstand that IMO.

 

[Howard Is]

Let’s not discuss politics and religion.

Let’s talk about baseball, cars and the Kardashians.